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By:
stringerbell
When: 05 Dec 10 21:55
what do hungarians say?
By:
stringerbell
When: 05 Dec 10 21:57
btw i wasnt ramping - i was under the strong impression, as most of us were, that it was lowest goes. i have lost money through being naive and believing that cowell would not go to those lengths to see cher into 4th rather than 5th

and despite 247lol's protestations, we all know matt will win, esp as his voters will be even more encouraged to vote after his trial this week
By:
NXRBL
When: 06 Dec 10 03:30
Glad I missed this tonight, as Castle iNX would be minus one TV.

Is this Cowell's lowest stunt yet? Especially when you consider the stage at which the competition is?

Absolutely no point whatsoever in a single person voting in this charade in future. Just let the judges decide each week. Cowell making it up as he goes along. Thought with his ridic ramping that he'd bury Mary, Ooops.... Plan B: He does what the **** he wants!

Gonna be a lot of irate Irish people when they discover after next weekend that Mary shudda been in the final by a straight forward PV.

Just to be clear, my info was correct and not some ridiculous ramp. It's very easy to corroborate it. I lost. No shame in that. I'm a big boy and can take my losses. My backs were a Cher elim at 15/8 Laddies. Not on betfair.

Good Luck to Cowell trying to ship this to the Yanks. Even they're not daft enough to swallow all this load o b@ll@cks!

Louis is gonna look like one spare Pr1ck for all his PV nonsense on radio and in the Sunday papers. He could get a serious backlash here for that. Mary Byrne was of the same opinion that it was a straight PV. Papers had it billed as that here. Mary V Cher. To axe Cher => Vote Mary.

Be interesting what pans out (if anything) of this...

GL all. Run good!
By:
layprofessional
When: 06 Dec 10 07:18
sick telling u all pv does not matter a fcuk
By:
J.O.TOBIN.
When: 06 Dec 10 07:53
Thanks for all the info nxrbl although it cost me a packet it was genuine info posted in good faith, I do hope the papers kick up a storm Cowell should not be allowed to get away with this.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 06 Dec 10 08:18
^ What Cider said. Nobody tried to mislead you Green. People just reported what they saw written and discussed it - a very useful feature of this forum.
By:
liv
When: 06 Dec 10 08:59
some years ago I backed two people to be eliminated. Then for the first time a "judges Decison was announced" my two bets were the bottom two. Betfair voided the market. I thought the market was clear, I was betting on who would be eliminated, I "won". There seems to be a randomness in betfair's decisions.
By:
NXRBL
When: 06 Dec 10 09:45
Same here J.O. Would be a lot of families at the mo happy with what I lost on it.

FWIW outrage in the papers here today.
All and when I say all, I mean ALL the papers carry the story.

Irish Mail front page.
Irish Sun front page: "Fans cry Fix as Byrne gets boot in semi"
Irish News front page.
Irish Times front page Shocked
Irish Indo front page Shocked
Irish Mirror front page: "It's a FiX - Mary Stitched Up"
Irish Star front page: "Mary AXed. Fury over FIX Claims"

Red tops going to town on the fix angle and how Cowell changed the rules at the last minute to 'fix' the final. Broadsheets a more Bye Mary approach.

The coverage is akin to the Roy Keane Saipangate saga. Topic on everyone's lips this AM is it was a disgrace. Blah Blah Blah...

To be honest 1 D could win this by a landslide (with Niall) and they won't get a fraction of the coverage that Mary has. I imagine the papers feel cheated in the sense that they too were misled by the Show and Louis and in turn were made to look as though they misled their readership.

I've a sneaking suspicion that Cowell has gone one step too far this time...
By:
Henry VIII
When: 06 Dec 10 10:05
I think they'll calm down, she got a massive ramp all week in Ireland and only got to 4th out of 5 at best.
By:
NXRBL
When: 06 Dec 10 10:16
True Henry.
That's all they wanted, though. Oh well, dough done... Next plz! [;)]
By:
shrewdbury
When: 06 Dec 10 11:25
NX - for once I think we could well and truly say 'we was robbed'. Sad
By:
five leaves left
When: 06 Dec 10 11:28
Cheers for the excellent info NX.

Only a simpletopn could describe it as ramping.
Unfortunately there were alot about this week and I suspect we'll have even more during the final
By:
squares
When: 06 Dec 10 11:43
anyone catch Mary on Lorraine Kelly and TM?  I caught the end of both.  On TM I heard them say something like "so you only found out about the sing off on the day of the results show".  Mary was pretty vague, saying she wasn't totally sure/couldn't remember.  They might have been given the songs on Saturday but didn't work on them until Sunday.

Jeff B said something about Cher duetting with Cheryl??
By:
squares
When: 06 Dec 10 11:45
Reason for the sing off - something about because there were still 5 left in the competition!!
By:
squares
When: 06 Dec 10 11:48
Also, from the way they were talking it sounded as if all 4 will be doing duets.
By:
stringerbell
When: 06 Dec 10 13:59
jesus cowell is doing everything in his power to give cher a career isnt he. quite plausible cher duets with cheryl actually...
By:
stringerbell
When: 06 Dec 10 14:00
i feel totally outraged about sunday, but you should have seen the look on my wife's face when i said 'cowell's gone too far this time'. it was a look as if to say 'get a life you sad f ucker it's only bledding x factor' - brought me down a peg or two
By:
attitude adjuster
When: 06 Dec 10 14:01
no way cheryl will sing live...just will not happen.
By:
attitude adjuster
When: 06 Dec 10 14:04
will help rebecca's vote - if cole was stupid enough to go with it.
By:
squares
When: 06 Dec 10 15:07
LOL nick
By:
squares
When: 06 Dec 10 15:24
confirmation of what Mary has been saying:

Mary Byrne has revealed that she was only told the night before that there would be a semi-final sing-off.

The former Tesco checkout worker, who was eliminated by the judges last night, admitted that it came as a surprise to the contestants when they found out their fate wouldn't solely be down to the public vote.

Speaking on This Morning, Byrne said: "I'm not sure if I found out Saturday morning or yesterday morning, I can't remember. It's because there was five... normally it would go to the public, but because there was five they had to do it that way apparently.

"I didn't know... although I think it was Saturday actually. Well we were given 'save me songs' on Saturday but I only practised it yesterday."

However, Byrne was not critical of the changes to the format, arguing that it was a waste of time worrying about it.

"I don't know about being penalised - I think they had to change it because of the way there was four in the finals. Do you know what I mean?" she said. "So I mean, they made a decision and it was done and there's not a lot more you can do. I was just so happy to be there."

Meanwhile, the Irish singer also hinted that Louis Walsh and Simon Cowell had begun planning a debut album for her. "I have the tour coming up and apparently I'm going to be making an album - please God I hope!" she said. "The album has been mentioned twice by Simon and Louis, so I don't know... it's just exciting."
By:
shrewdbury
When: 06 Dec 10 16:25
Nick - often at times like that you can feel torn between two issues with the missus. If you let it go and say, yes it doesn't really matter love, but are secretly seething that it was much more serious as you just did your bollaxx.....or you can tell her how much you've just done your bollaxx in monetary terms...and then face the wrath of 'what the hell were you doing putting that much of our money on a silly show' etc etc....can't win! Laugh
By:
Dizzy42
When: 06 Dec 10 17:16
Figgy, Squares et. al.

For the benefit of those of us who are newer to the forum, please continue to 'out' the genuine rampers in the final week.

I think we have a pretty good handle on most of the culprits, but where multiple accounts are used sometimes it can still be a bit misleading.

Cheers...
By:
Dizzy42
When: 06 Dec 10 17:18
Oh and Nick - believe me, I've had THAT look on more than one occasion!

My other half just about tolerates all of the betting that goes on, but it starts to wear thin come Sunday night in-running sing-off trading...

Even though punting on this has virtually paid for Christmas the last three years running she still thinks I take it all WAY too seriously and need to get a life!
By:
stringerbell
When: 06 Dec 10 17:19
Laugh

i didnt mention the 700 quid i had had stolen off me, but she made me realise that i am taking this pantomime very very seriously. over seriously in fact.

from now on, we know to factor in these possibilities into our betting, but if we really think our outrage will cause cowell a shred of concern then we've got another thing coming...
By:
NXRBL
When: 07 Dec 10 10:51
Red Tops still all at it here. zzzzz
Star front page: Gag on Mary
Story: X Factor Star Mary Byrne has admitted that she has been gagged about allegations that the results on Sunday were fixed.....

In a related Star story "MaBy is a ratings champion"
Dubliner Mary Byrne's dramatic exit from X Factor smashed all ratings figures for TV3 - as over 911k viewers tuned in. Bosses celebrated as ratings hit the highest in the channels 12 year history.....

I can't wait to see the actual results post XF. My guess is that Mary may have won the PV by quite a margin. I'm thinking by a couple of points, rather than the ludicrous Cher landslide win some fools predicted.

No such gag here...

The Mirror front page: They Fixed It For Me To Lose
Dumped mary lifts lid on new X Factor scandal
Mary Byrne last night accused X Factor bosses of rigging the show to get rid of her.
She claims show chiefs knew before the sing-off the public had voted for her but wanted "more marketable" Cher Lloyd to stay in. Mary said: "It's a fix. The public voted for me to stay but it was obvious Simon Cowell didn't want me." Big development of the story.....

Then there's a separate related piece "Was the Sing-Off a sham: The evidence"
The Mirror can reveal a growing catalogue of evidence that points to the sing-off being a last minute introduction brought in to save Cher Lloyd from being kicked off the X-Factor.
What Mary says:
Speaking about the decision to get the bottom two acts to perform, Mary Byrne told the Mirror she found out at the 11th hour about the move. She said she found out on Saturday about the sing off, and later told TM the contestants did not practise their songs until Sunday, such was the lateness of the arrangements.
What Dermot said:
Angry fans pointed out that DOL had told them on the show "it's you alone" who decided who went through to the final, suggesting there would be no sing-off. Halfway into the show just after all the acts performed their first songs of the night, Dermot said: "The vote is now open, and will close in tomorrow night's result show. It's now all in your hands."
What Simon said:
In an interview a week ago after Wagner Carrilho was given the boot, Cowell appeared to suggest all deciosions were down to the public, he said: "There were people trying to derail the show. What has happened tonight is we've put the show back in the hands of the public."
What Louis said:
Irish fans of the show also claim that Louis Walsh said on RTE Radio One last weel that the act with the lowest vote would leave and urged people to vote for Mary.
What XF website said:
The XF's official website stated that the act with the lowest vote would leave. The Mirror was contacted by dozens of Mary fans yesterday asking for their money back.
ITV and the X Factor were last night still insisting that the sing-off was planned well in advance but did not give a specific date.

My regular Newsagents didn't have the Sun this AM. Simon Cowell robbed them. Just like Mary.

I won't bore the forum with any more of this, gents.... My last update on the matter.
By:
Dizzy42
When: 07 Dec 10 11:41
Not boring NXRBL - fascinating.

Keep it coming.  Wish the British press were pushing this with the same passion and determination!
By:
squares
When: 07 Dec 10 12:37
SCowell can't lie straight in bed.

But speaking exclusively to The Sun, show boss Simon said: "We haven't done anything wrong."

He added: "All the artists knew there was going to be a sing-off.

"Mary and Cher were told last Monday to prepare a song for a sing-off if necessary."

And the producer said the format could not have been changed due to Cher coming bottom of the public vote - because he has no idea of the rankings.

He explained: "I genuinely do not know the exact placings of the artists - who is top and who is bottom. I never know those details until the series is finished."

And he said the confusion is due to next week's final having four acts instead of the three always featured in previous series.

He said: "There has always been a sing-off when there are five people left in the competition. This is a lot of nonsense about nothing."



Re: last paragraph.  There has been a sing off where there are five people left in the competition twice in the past 6 series, once was the first year which only had 9 contestants and then again in series 3 when Eton Road got the boot over Ben Mills Cry
By:
squares
When: 07 Dec 10 12:39
Meanwhile, ITV says ONLY the public vote will decide the final results of the series this weekend.

Plain
By:
Journeyman
When: 07 Dec 10 12:43
Laugh
By:
NXRBL
When: 07 Dec 10 13:38
As an aside here and maybe noteworthy is that any possible transfer of Mary regional support to 1D is now foooked! This may not have been huge, but 400-500k votes can't be sniffed at.

No way the Niall kid will get any support other than from his hardcore locality, which is an inconsequential little town called Mullingar, circa 10k population.
By:
stringerbell
When: 07 Dec 10 15:08
good work NXRBL, your digging is most valuable, thankyou
By:
bunnyman
When: 07 Dec 10 15:51
NXRBL, surely Ireland is too aggrieved to bother voting much this weekend?
By:
Johnny`Honk`Fartpants
When: 07 Dec 10 15:55
That's what he's saying bunny.

Regards that last paragraph squares, I'd love one of us on here to get through to the Xtra Factor phone in and ask Cowell about the 4 times it has been straight public vote with only 5 contestants left because the dopey British public will believe him when he says that.
By:
NXRBL
When: 07 Dec 10 16:02
Bunny, ^^ what Johnny says above mate. No Irish vote after this.

I defo propose Sq for the phone-in to give Cowell the Gestapo treatment!!
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