thanks squares

Using only the remaining 8 acts relative performing positions with points awarded 8 (last) down to 1 (first):-

Wagner 36
One Direction 36
Katie 31
Matt 27
Mary 24
Rebecca 23
Cher 23
Paije 16

Also shows PAIJE has dodged two bullets by opening the show on two occassions.

It seems an act after you before the ads is a curse .. esp. since week 3

Sorry, did not see this thread before.

It's only forums like this that pay much attention or significance to running orders and their influence, most of Joe Public are oblivious to the fact they are subliminally manipulated.

There will be relentless ramping of their chosen one this year in the coming weeks, my guess judging from Simon's comment after Matts performance of 'First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' about it being the Matt and Rebecca show is that they will try and get Rebecca to win, I don't think she is popular enough to win though.

Grendel: 18 Nov 10 12:24  It seems an act after you before the ads is a curse .. esp. since week 3

Interesting spot, Grendel. A quick look at last year shows that of the 20 times there were two acts between a break it was 14-6 in favour of the act singing second!

According to my stats from last year, there WERE only 20 times acts sang together between ads (this from the first seven shows, when everyone only sang once). For instance in shows 6 & 7 there was only one time per show that two acts appeared together - the rest of the time it was one-act-per-segment.

Of the 20 'clashes', 14 times the act singing second in the segment out-scored the act singing first, with only six occasions the other way around, more than I would expect if order had no say in matters.

In short: it looks like you're on to something!

by the way... mums the word, we'll clean up [;)]

hmm ... you'd have to factor in the favoured act going 2nd in a segment anyway

looks like more stand alone segments from now on judged on last year... more ads revenue !!

thanks for putting it up squares

could be interesting tonight, Rebecca got double curse of Mary slot and an act after her before ads

Cher surely more under threat from that theory grendel?

This was the traditional week to throw us off the scent that the RO is unbelievable biased

This week's show proves for once and for all that the producers are more than aware of the elimination betting...  Not for the first time this series either.

Favourite to leave on last, 2nd fav was penultimate act, 3rd fav three from the end, 4th fav, four from the end, with the market leaders to win the show all in the first half this week.  They clearly want a shake up as this is bound to create a shock result in the bottom two.

It's Cher that looks to be isolated by this - available at 67 before the show and now just 11.4.  Sandwiched between Matt and One Direction, with the early slot / first of two to perform before an ad all contributing to her vulnerability.  Not to mention a performance that will not appeal to her core fan base (although one of her best in my view).

The sing off beckons!

grendel

just my imagination

but i'm convinced Cowell will keep One D close to Matt every week now

maybe something to watch.

Just done some probability maths on the above and last years with info provided by onthehushhush....

Using how many contestants were in each round and how many had acts after them before an ad break, with all things being equal by chance there should have been 4.2 acts in the bottom two last year and there were 7. This year there should have been 6.37 and there have been 11.
An impact value of 1.67 (2009) and 1.73 (2010)

ttt

In two of the last 3 weeks one of the bottom two has sung directly after Matt and all 3 of the last weeks the person who has sung after Mary has been in the bottom two.

This represents a coefficient, dirigible, biometric, venn diagram parabola nexus of 0.002731.

Can someone check my maths?

people always seem to be commenting on other threads, so:

Singing Positions of Remaining Contestants

Mary 11/16 13/14 8/12 1/11 2/10 3/9 5/8
(so hasn't gone last, reasonable mix)

Wagner 14/16 10/14 11/12 7/11 7/10 7/9 7/8
(not first nor last, no early slots, lot of 7ths)

Katie 10/16 11/14 12/12 9/11 3/10 4/9 8/8
(not first, last twice)

Cher 7/16 5/14 4/12 11/11 1/10 6/9 2/8
(reasonable mix)

Rebecca 4/16 8/14 3/12 4/11 6/10 9/9 4/8
(not first, few 4ths)

Matt 2/16 14/14 5/12 6/11 8/10 5/9 1/8
(reasonable mix)

OD 13/16 4/14 6/12 10/11 10/10 8/9 3/8
(not first, fairly reasonable mix)

mary obviously due a last slot. i still cant help thinking, with her support base, that she is very tradeable at 46s

A bit about RO in here, although I wouldn't say Wagner has been getting poor slots.

Girls have, however, closed the show on 5 from 7 weeks and opened it only once.


X Factor judges Louis Walsh and Dannii Minogue have reportedly complained over the "preferential treatment" being given to Cheryl Cole's acts.

The pair are said to be annoyed by the alleged favouritism shown to Cher Lloyd, Katie Waissel and Rebecca Ferguson, and have told Simon Cowell that things need to change.

According to the Daily Star, Walsh and Minogue were further angered when Cole arrived at rehearsals in a Rolls-Royce - while they use so-called 'ordinary cars'.

Other complaints have apparently included that Cole receives the best styling and that her acts receive the best performance slots in the live show's running order.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Cheryl's acts are getting the best slots," an insider told the paper. "Over the last couple of weeks both Dannii and Louis have been concerned about where their most vulnerable acts - Paije [Richardson], Wagner [Carrilho] and Mary [Byrne] - sit in the Saturday lineup.

"They've been in what everyone calls the 'graveyard' slots at the start of the show where viewers are most likely to forget their performances. Louis raised his concerns with Simon but was told to 'lump it'."

However, an X Factor spokeswoman said: "The order in which acts perform varies each week. None of the finalists are shown preferential treatment, with each of them getting their chance to shine on the stage."