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By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 09:58
Average price in Jan., 2011:
AAPL $335
Silver $28

Price today:
AAPL $375 (about a 12pc increase)
Silver $31 (about an 11pc increase)

I would say all things considering, Silver more than held it's own.

After all when the blind, deaf and dumb fanboy decided to display his massive intellectual dishonesty and throw an overbought at the time silver in the cage, he should have also told us that silver was thrown in the cage with both hands tied behind it's hand. He didn't because either he didn't know or it didn't suit his personal agenda. Personally I'm quite torn as to which of the two it is, you decide:

* CFTC still delaying implementing position limits that would restrict the ability of the bullion banks to suppress the price of silver  (http://www.gfsnews.com/article/3109/1/CFTC_delays_position_limits_rule_again) - no such issue with AAPL

* CFTC still delaying concluding their investigation on the manipulation of the silver market (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-26/silver-market-faced-fraudulent-efforts-to-control-price-chilton-says.html) - no such issue with AAPL

* JPM suppressing the silver price through massive naked short positions (http://moneymorning.com/2010/11/01/cftc-investigates-jpmorgan-hsbc-as-firms-sued-for-silver-market-manipulation/) - no such issue with AAPL

* Paper silver to actual physical trading at 100/1 ratio (http://www.gata.org/node/8858)- no such issue with AAPL

* Silver got hit with no less than eight margin hikes in 2011 just on the CME (including an 85pc rise in just one week), five more in other exchanges (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/protect-your-silver-gold-oil-from-margin-hikes-2011-05-13) - no such issue with AAPL

* Silver got hit with the fallout of MF Global's bankruptcy - net long positions wiped out. (http://news.silverseek.com/SilverSeek/1320851654.php) - no such issue with AAPL



........and besides Bernanke hates silver but he loves his iphone - was there ever any doubt who would win this cage match?

Personally I'd love to see a rematch right about the time COMEX breaks due to "failed to deliver", it would be a lot of fun.

But hey, what the hell, let's keep things simple and listen to the half-wits....eeeer sorry, I meant fanboys........BUY AAPL.
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 10:01
*behind it's back*
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 10:26
*behind its back*

Well, I never said I'm perfect Laugh
By:
polybot
When: 21 Nov 11 11:22
WTF has january got to do with anything you clueless mug???
you really have perfected the art of aftertimingGrin
By:
polybot
When: 21 Nov 11 11:26
silver has been ABSOLUTELY SLAUGHTERED yet you think you've drawn!!??
oh dear
meanwhile I'm shifting the profits in USD to the ever improving NZD
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 12:39
I'll take that back, you are not intellectually dishonest, your are intellectually incapable. I seem to run into that a lot from chaps down your part of the world.

BTW, you could have bought AAPL at $375 in......July. Good luck "shifting" the last four months profits from one toilet paper into another.
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 13:16
Just in case there's still any intelligent life reading this forum, here's the bottom line.

Anyone comparing AAPL and Silver (cage match) is an idiot. They are two totally different investment instruments, moved by a totally different set of dynamics, and different expectations of where this financial crisis is headed. Beyond the overt idiocy, when one chooses to start monitoring the performance of silver and compare with Apple, right after a parabolic move up in a short period of time (overbought), is intellectually dishonest or is pushing an agenda. Failing to even mention all the blatant attacks on silver by the bullion banks that followed (especially the five margin hikes, 85pc rise in one week) and continuing to spew garbage only reinforces the presence of an agenda. What's the agenda?

BUY AAPL.
By:
polybot
When: 21 Nov 11 13:23
yes, different investment instruments, one is a failure, the other is not.
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 14:23
You can wiggle and waiver, you can tap dance all you want, but you still can't hide from the fact that the cage match you concocted was, and continues to be utter stupidity, an exercise in intellectual dishonesty. You didn't deny, nor refuted any of the facts I posted. You have agenda, only this poster is not buying.

JULY......soon to be February.....soon to be 2010.....while traders put their capital to work trading this once in a lifetime volatility, you are still seating there fondling that ipad. Priceless....
By:
polybot
When: 21 Nov 11 15:13
derivatives are traded and closed monthly, the profits long since booked.
but let's pretend all positions are long (worst possible case scenario), AAPL still up around 10 percent, silver down around 25 percent. and you couldn't get even close to right.
By:
Menelaus
When: 21 Nov 11 17:30
Sure, I get it, profits always booked, loses are rolled over into "longer positions" until....wait for it.....profits are booked again!!! Congratulations, you discovered perpetual motion.

You shouted the most overcrowded trade of the year....buy AAPL. I'm sorry but you have to start sharing your wisdom on broader issues to gain credibility on here.

And yes, silver down 25pc from it's peak parabolic move, which is conveniently the start time of your choosing, not overall 2011 performance. Congratulations again, you should apply for a job with JPM's accounting department, they love sh1t like that over there.
By:
polybot
When: 01 Dec 11 07:24
AAPL 382.20
SLV 32.00
AAPL +3 SLV -3
AAL leads +23 vs SLV -11
By:
polybot
When: 31 Dec 11 00:55
AAPL 405.00
SLV 26.94
AAPL +4 SLV -3
AAL leads +27 vs SLV -14
By:
polybot
When: 31 Dec 11 00:58
AAPL +21 percent (annualized up 28.57 %)
SLV -33 percent (annualized down 44.63 %)
By:
polybot
When: 02 Feb 12 00:32
AAPL 456.48
SLV 32.28
AAPL +36 percent (annualized up 44.12 %)
SLV -23 percent (annualized down 23.48 %)

monthly points
AAPL +4 SLV -2
AAL leads +31 vs SLV -16
By:
polybot
When: 02 Feb 12 00:39
end of period points
AAPL: +20 points (winner) and + 36 points (percentage increase) = 56 points
SLV: -23 points (percentage decrease)

TOTAL
AAPL: 87 points
SLV: negative 39 points

AAPL wins by a margin of 126 points.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 02 Feb 12 10:49
Excellent proof (if proof were needed)that one should have bought Apple.

I see that gold has gone up 20% in the same period, which would put its performance in the middle of these two.

Polybot - how do you think Facebook will perform?
By:
polybot
When: 02 Feb 12 22:08
haven't really looked too hard at facebook, it could do very well on initial speculation but there are too many questions around the ipo and the  business itself for my liking. a lot of the price will be based on sentiment and hype and i'm sure plenty of insiders will make money long or short but i don't want to be on the wrong side of those trades.
medium to long term for the company is equally unsure, it will be interesting to follow, but not interested in the gamble.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Feb 12 10:36
Thanks, polybot.
By:
polybot
When: 28 Feb 12 10:32
"Menelaus
14 Apr 11 12:50 Joined: 03 Feb 05 | Topic/replies: 1,565 | Blogger: Menelaus's blog
Here's my position: MASSIVELY short AAPL

polybot
15 Apr 11 06:57 Joined: 20 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 2,213 | Blogger: polybot's blog
not sure you understand the deliberately simple rules of the game but for the sake of goodwill and because you're a "special case" I'll generously lend you 1000 pretend AAPL shares with no interest or stops to be closed out 1 Feb 2012."


that inspired short would have lost you $121,190.00
lucky there were no fees or interest charges.
By:
Menelaus
When: 28 Feb 12 13:09
Oh yes, another "make believe", "I make the rules" trade by our little girl. It reminds me of a certain cage match......LOL Laugh
By:
polybot
When: 02 Apr 12 16:20
lucky it closed 1st Feb melly, today you'd be down over $275,000 on your short.
anyhoo, the one year anniversary on this thread coming up, aapl up 82 percent, still with the last few april calls to sell/roll over, any advice melly?
By:
polybot
When: 08 Apr 12 14:07
well it's been a year now to the day so the 12 month result is:
AAPL up 89.16 percent (that's around a $300,000 loss if you were short 1000 sharesSad)
SLV down 23.20 percent
sold a couple more of the april calls at close last week, just missed on the last 3 so will get rid of later. quite a good year.
By:
polybot
When: 22 Apr 12 05:23
all out of the april calls by the 10th, sold in the range of $585 up to $632 at the highest. couldn't resist the price last friday and put about 5 percent of the returns into weeklys for earnings.
By:
Menelaus
When: 22 Apr 12 13:36
polyahole, try posting a trade BEFORE you open and close a trade one of these days. I thought benny the clown was in a league by himself when it comes to aftertiming but you're certainly giving him a run for his money.

Oh, by the way, did I mention I was shorting aapl all the way down from $644 to last Friday's close? SillySillySilly

Just saying.....
By:
Menelaus
When: 22 Apr 12 14:04
Oh, and I forgot to mention, the trade yielded profits equivalent to an average bloke's "10 year wages"

I mean what the hell, you down under clowns have totally turned this forum into a circus with aftertimed trades and profits, I may as well join in and enjoy the show.
By:
Mrben
When: 23 Apr 12 01:37
nice trading polybot.LoveLoveLove
By:
polybot
When: 23 Apr 12 10:55
thanks ben, wasn't planning on buying just yet but might look at some more longer term buys if the price drops this week, original plan was buying in the may/june period.
earnings will be good but maybe not good enough for the week, have some other stocks reporting later in the week so looking forward to getting aapl done.
do have any thoughts on the NZD? I've been meaning to move some USD but the last couple of months have been very flat.
By:
Menelaus
When: 23 Apr 12 13:07
Aftertiming clowns blowing kisses to each another. Is this part of the scrip, or are you chaps improvising for entertainment purposes?
By:
Whippet
When: 23 Apr 12 20:33
as if you thought he couldn't stoop any lower, melly is now trying to gloat about an aftertimed trade.

the only slight problem with this is he went bankrupt long ago shorting aapl all the way up from $300. It's pointless being right if you haven't got any money left by the time your prediction actually happens. Laugh
By:
Menelaus
When: 23 Apr 12 20:45
Listen you low-life, just because you deposited a few quid in an igindex account doesn't make you, or your halfwit partner in crime, traders. Do you understand that?

If you don't understand that by now, you will soon enough when your balance shows ZERO.

Now go do something useful like search a few penny stock minors' websites, and all the other useless blogs you follow, and then come back here and post "news" that the market hasn't priced in yet so we can all get rich overnight. Such is the magnitude of your idiocy…...
By:
polybot
When: 25 Apr 12 09:41
"polybot • April 22, 2012 5:23 AM BST
couldn't resist the price last friday and put about 5 percent of the returns into weeklys for earnings"


This should be clear, even to you melly

"polybot • April 23, 2012 10:55 AM BST
wasn't planning on buying just yet but might look at some more longer term buys if the price drops this week"


This also should be clear, the price dropped significantly this week (after this post), on monday AND tuesday.

poor old melly absolutely seething! Happy
By:
Menelaus
When: 25 Apr 12 10:31
Melly bought a load of calls at 600 at the close on Monday that will be cashed out today, not because I expected a beat on earnings but rather because AAPL IS THE MARKET and the market is supported every time it looks like it might roll over. The numbers they are reporting are about as credible as the government inflation number but that's a different debate for a different day.

It's just that melly is pretty sure of himself and doesn't feel the need to post diatribe that can play both ways to impress mugs on here with aftertimed ficticious "returns".

I hope you spend some of your alleged returns to buy some higher heels.
By:
polybot
When: 25 Apr 12 11:37
Laugh melly seething
By:
polybot
When: 25 Apr 12 11:55
"Melly bought a load of calls.."
refering to yourself in the first person? are you turning into a gollum?
By:
polybot
When: 25 Apr 12 12:19
though it does explain all the seething, and the multiple identities Laugh

By:
Menelaus
When: 25 Apr 12 12:44
Three posts on the trot again fanboy. I' m starting to think *you do* suffer from attention deficit disorder.

The money line that you can't run away from is the earning "may not be good enough", showing your utter confusion of what was to be expected.

Why would anyone go long through weeklys, or "long term play" when they believe the earning "may not be good enough" is mystery where I live. Evidently, not so much in the upside down world you do.

To be fair though, I have to commend you on the skilled use of elusive language, complete with unspecified trades, maybes, possiblys and mights. You got it down to an art.
By:
polybot
When: 30 Apr 12 11:02
"earnings will be good but maybe not good enough for the week, have some other stocks reporting later in the week so looking forward to getting aapl done."

just to recap for melly, the forum clown.
aapl closed at 603, well below monthly high of 640. good profits to be made in the correct range though.
melly's after timed trades would have been marginal/losses. amazingly he STILL can't get it right with hindsight Cry
By:
polybot
When: 30 Apr 12 11:05
the difference betwenn ignorant and stupid
ignorant = a lack of exposure to information
stupid = full exposure to the information but the inability to process it
By:
polybot
When: 30 Apr 12 11:06
for melly:
betwenn = between
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