Tradefair & Financials
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A friendly bull vs bear (or whatever) competition to lighten the atmos.
We don't need any commentary, justification or proviso, just pick a side. entries close when NYSE opens Monday.
RULES:
starting price: SLV $40 AAPL $335 (prices at close 9Apr2011). Using the silver ETF (NYSE:SLV) for simplicities sake.
points at end of last trading day of each calendar month: +3 if leading. -3 if price is lower than starting price. +1 if price higher than previous month.
points at end of 10 month period (31Jan2012): +20 leader. +1 for each percentage point increase over starting price (-1 for each percentage decrease).
We don't need any commentary, justification or proviso, just pick a side. entries close when NYSE opens Monday.
RULES:
starting price: SLV $40 AAPL $335 (prices at close 9Apr2011). Using the silver ETF (NYSE:SLV) for simplicities sake.
points at end of last trading day of each calendar month: +3 if leading. -3 if price is lower than starting price. +1 if price higher than previous month.
points at end of 10 month period (31Jan2012): +20 leader. +1 for each percentage point increase over starting price (-1 for each percentage decrease).
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Apple for me
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Hard one to call. Silver should win hands down but the fed are propping up shares and the ipad2 will have an impact. Also we know that there are forces working against silver and there is always resistance at round numbers. Silver is 40.91 right now and I expect it to be shorted downwards.
I'll go for Apple but in no way do I think it's a better investment. I don't think short term as a rule and silver will outclass it in the years ahead but for the purpose of this thread, Apple. |
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Silver hands down. It will be at $60+ at that point, for apple to win it would have to be over $500, which is never going to happen.
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Oh crap I thought it was one month only, hence the ipad2 comment.
All in on silver. Sorry my own fault for skim reading. |
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Respect for committing to a measurable position, clearing a lot of tyre kickers on this forum too scared to disclose positions real or imaginary on this thread or any, good luck to you both.
Interesting a million dollar trade just went through on SLV Jul $25 puts, seems an odd trade if it were just hedging. Ominous? |
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Here's my position: MASSIVELY short AAPL
NASDAQ "rebalancing" of the index was not an accident and word is (I really hate to say this and be the basis of profiting from it....but unfortunately that's the cruel real world we live in) Steve Jobs days are numbered. I doubt he'll make it to the end of the year. I'm not convinced the market has priced "an AAPL without Steve" in yet. Supply chain disruptions should also affect them in 4th Qtr revenues. |
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another clueless post bought to you my melly.
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Menelaus
not sure you understand the deliberately simple rules of the game but for the sake of goodwill and because you're a "special case" I'll generously lend you 1000 pretend AAPL shares with no interest or stops to be closed out 1 Feb 2012. also the NAS100 is capitalization based index, it's not a hedge fund. |
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Mr Ben
this is a respectable cage match, please take your brawling elsewhere. |
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dear polybot, may be you've been afflicted with MrBean's disease and we're not aware of it. I don't engage in fantasy trips nor do I enjoy playing silly games. I invest and trade with real money, on the real markets. My position is massively short Apple for the reasons I stated. My point about NASDAQ rebalancing AAPL's weight in the index clearly went right over your head. Not a serious mistake if you're just playing games on this forum, but rather a very serious mistake if you're trading with real money in the real world. I wish you the best of luck, after all you sound like a very shrewd trader (very generous too) and I look forward to you posting who the winner is in this fantasy trip we've embarked on.
(MrBean, you an amazing person being able to read posts from posters you have blocked. Or what that another lie, like you always winning roller-coaster AUD trades. Please don't answer that, I know what the answer is, I was just thinking out loud  ) |
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3 from 3
any more buttons left to push?[:p] |
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apologies polybot, not trying to wreck the thread.Just leading melly around by the nose.
No worries, I'll shoot the fish on other threads. please continue. |
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Absolute novice here, say i wanted to invest in silver say 5ks worth, whats the best way to go about it and what do i buy(shares coins bullion) and how to avoid getting stiffed
Thanks in advance |
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pros and cons with each, for shares you're reliant on the integrity of the institution but they're quick, easy and cheap to trade, for bullion and coins you have buy/sell fees and margins, storage costs/risks, possibly counterfeit product, difficult to trade.
depends on your reason for buying, and factors such as how long you want to hold it, or if there's a capitulation will you want to get your money out quickly or hold. if you do buy it then don't use margin. |
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I bought a load of bullion in 2002 what avenues are there for selling it?
My friend said ebay but are the fee's high? |
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a good idea is to make up some lead alloy ingots and use your silver to silverplate them, then sell them on eBay. don't use your real name though.
Or if that's too much trouble just get the copper tungsten replicas from China and sell them in bulk through a website. It's fairly safe, the last thing metal collectors wants to do is gouge open their shiny coins and ingots to test them. |
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resumed sub 330 buys in AAPL yesterday (only got down to 327 the other week), the plan was blocks at dollars increments, started 326 but next stop straight to 321, so another 5 blocks that cost a little less than expected.
I may use the unexpected savings on a small bet on some SLV puts, just a few contracts for fun. Not really involved in metals so something to keep me interested. The open interest on those Jul25s now at 117215, was the million dollar trade a genuine move? a cunning plan? Looks like I'm long AAPL and soon to be short (at least a tiny bit) silver. |
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WBT BUY +xxx SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT @.21 LMT PHLX FILLED
-145.41042 SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT 11.9% 11.9% 0.235 -0.005 0.21 not bad for an hours investment but will ride this a while longer, even if it is to zero, should be interesting if it lasts. |
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apple all the wat silver has peaked.
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Think I'll buy some more then. You said you were shorting silver at around $25 a few months ago.
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nosaid i was selling some of my physical hoilding, the rest is about to be disposed of.
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first points to SLV +17.2%, vs AAPL +4.52%. SLV leads 4-1. Menelaus, you owe me $15,130.
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though in an odd irony, [July SLV Puts] beat SLV, 19.05% to 17.2%.
DAYS QTY DELTA DESCRIPTION P/L DAY P/L OPEN MARK MARK CHNG AVG PRICE ETF ► +0 0.00 iShares Silver Trust 0.0% 0.0% 46.88 -0.38 0.00 OPT ► 76 +xxx -126.13764 SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT 0.0% 19.05% 0.25 0.04 0.21 |
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polybot, if you can pull up my post and show us all where I accepted playing this silly game you concocted, not only I'll pay you what you are asking, I'll pay you double. A lot of virtual millionaires on here I'm beginning to think......
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Melanie knows nothing about Apple v Silver
but ask her about Big Mac v Whopper she's an expert . A lifetime of flipping them has given her the knowledge. |
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more than doubled in 2 weeks...
DAYS QTY DELTA DESCRIPTION P/L DAY P/L OPEN MARK MARK CHNG AVG PRICE ETF ► +0 0.00 iShares Silver Trust 0.0% 0.0% 43.62 -3.26 0.00 OPT ► 74 +xxx -215.54841 SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT 78.0% 111.9% 0.445 0.185 0.21 |
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Good show on your virtual profits polybot, in the virtual game you created for the express purpose of virtually winning. Did many sign up to play because I sure as hell didn't. I think the point you consistently miss is that many who favour silver on an investment on this forum take a much longer view of the economy and global events/trends than the one you seem to be dealing with and prefer holding physical instead of yet another paper asset. But if you think buying SLV is the same as buying silver then knock yourself out.
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Melanie how many more tims do you need to be told ?
Get back behind your griddle , your not paid to think , write or try to be smart . YOue only requirment is to cook hamburgers and for that you get 5 quid an hour . |
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went to 69 today, should I have sold a third when they tripled? urgent advice needed from "the oracle" Menelaus!
DAYS QTY DELTA DESCRIPTION P/L DAY P/L OPEN MARK MARK CHNG AVG PRICE ETF ► +0 0.00 iShares Silver Trust 0.0% 0.0% 40.21 -0.37 0.00 OPT ► 72 +xxx -313.92495 SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT 0.0% 178.57% 0.585 0.145 0.21 |
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Day's Range: 0.52 - 0.86, sold a quarter when they quadrupled, probably should have waited for the go ahead from Menelaus though. Where is he? Is his hedgefund having an international investor conference in NYC? Is he in talks with Obama in Washington? Advising Bernanke?
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DAYS QTY DELTA DESCRIPTION P/L DAY P/L OPEN MARK MARK CHNG AVG PRICE
ETF ► +0 0.00 iShares Silver Trust 0.0% 0.0% 33.54 -4.731 0.00 OPT ► 71 +xxx -859.3446 SLV 100 JUL 11 30 PUT 147.92% 750.0% 1.785 1.085 0.21 |
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AAPL 3.83% gain (347.83)
SLV 6.00% loss (37.60) AAPL +3 points, SLV -3 points. AAPL leads 4-1. |
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AAPL 335.67
SLV 33.84 AAPL +3, SLV -3, AAPL leads +7 vs -2. |
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AAPL 16.56% ($390.48)
SLV -2.88% ($38.85) AAPL +4, SLV -3, AAPL leads +11 vs -5 |
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silver should be -2 there.
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Well spotted, my mistake. AAPL +11, SLV -4
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AAPL 384.83
SLV 40.45 AAPL +3 SLV +1 AAPL leads +14 vs -3 |
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AAPL 381.32
SLV 28.91 AAPL +3 SLV -3 AAL leads +17 vs -6 |
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AAPL 404.78
SLV 33.44 AAPL +4 SLV -2 AAL leads +20 vs -8 |