SILVER vs APPLE. Forum cage match, 10 rounds

AAPL 335.67
SLV 33.84
AAPL +3, SLV -3, AAPL leads +7 vs -2.

AAPL    16.56%    ($390.48)
SLV             -2.88%    ($38.85)
AAPL +4, SLV -3, AAPL leads +11 vs -5

silver should be -2 there.

Well spotted, my mistake. AAPL +11, SLV -4

AAPL 384.83
SLV  40.45
AAPL +3 SLV +1
AAPL leads +14 vs -3

AAPL 381.32
SLV 28.91
AAPL +3 SLV -3
AAL leads +17 vs -6

AAPL 404.78
SLV 33.44
AAPL +4 SLV -2
AAL leads +20 vs -8

Average price in Jan., 2011:
AAPL $335
Silver $28

Price today:
AAPL $375 (about a 12pc increase)
Silver $31 (about an 11pc increase)

I would say all things considering, Silver more than held it's own.

After all when the blind, deaf and dumb fanboy decided to display his massive intellectual dishonesty and throw an overbought at the time silver in the cage, he should have also told us that silver was thrown in the cage with both hands tied behind it's hand. He didn't because either he didn't know or it didn't suit his personal agenda. Personally I'm quite torn as to which of the two it is, you decide:

* CFTC still delaying implementing position limits that would restrict the ability of the bullion banks to suppress the price of silver  (http://www.gfsnews.com/article/3109/1/CFTC_delays_position_limits_rule_again) - no such issue with AAPL

* CFTC still delaying concluding their investigation on the manipulation of the silver market (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-26/silver-market-faced-fraudulent-eff... - no such issue with AAPL

* JPM suppressing the silver price through massive naked short positions (http://moneymorning.com/2010/11/01/cftc-investigates-jpmorgan-hsbc-as-firms... - no such issue with AAPL

* Paper silver to actual physical trading at 100/1 ratio (http://www.gata.org/node/8858)- no such issue with AAPL

* Silver got hit with no less than eight margin hikes in 2011 just on the CME (including an 85pc rise in just one week), five more in other exchanges (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/protect-your-silver-gold-oil-from-margin-h... - no such issue with AAPL

* Silver got hit with the fallout of MF Global's bankruptcy - net long positions wiped out. (http://news.silverseek.com/SilverSeek/1320851654.php) - no such issue with AAPL



........and besides Bernanke hates silver but he loves his iphone - was there ever any doubt who would win this cage match?

Personally I'd love to see a rematch right about the time COMEX breaks due to "failed to deliver", it would be a lot of fun.

But hey, what the hell, let's keep things simple and listen to the half-wits....eeeer sorry, I meant fanboys........BUY AAPL.

*behind it's back*

*behind its back*

Well, I never said I'm perfect

WTF has january got to do with anything you clueless mug???
you really have perfected the art of aftertiming

silver has been ABSOLUTELY SLAUGHTERED yet you think you've drawn!!??
oh dear
meanwhile I'm shifting the profits in USD to the ever improving NZD

I'll take that back, you are not intellectually dishonest, your are intellectually incapable. I seem to run into that a lot from chaps down your part of the world.

BTW, you could have bought AAPL at $375 in......July. Good luck "shifting" the last four months profits from one toilet paper into another.

Just in case there's still any intelligent life reading this forum, here's the bottom line.

Anyone comparing AAPL and Silver (cage match) is an idiot. They are two totally different investment instruments, moved by a totally different set of dynamics, and different expectations of where this financial crisis is headed. Beyond the overt idiocy, when one chooses to start monitoring the performance of silver and compare with Apple, right after a parabolic move up in a short period of time (overbought), is intellectually dishonest or is pushing an agenda. Failing to even mention all the blatant attacks on silver by the bullion banks that followed (especially the five margin hikes, 85pc rise in one week) and continuing to spew garbage only reinforces the presence of an agenda. What's the agenda?

BUY AAPL.

yes, different investment instruments, one is a failure, the other is not.

You can wiggle and waiver, you can tap dance all you want, but you still can't hide from the fact that the cage match you concocted was, and continues to be utter stupidity, an exercise in intellectual dishonesty. You didn't deny, nor refuted any of the facts I posted. You have agenda, only this poster is not buying.

JULY......soon to be February.....soon to be 2010.....while traders put their capital to work trading this once in a lifetime volatility, you are still seating there fondling that ipad. Priceless....

derivatives are traded and closed monthly, the profits long since booked.
but let's pretend all positions are long (worst possible case scenario), AAPL still up around 10 percent, silver down around 25 percent. and you couldn't get even close to right.

Sure, I get it, profits always booked, loses are rolled over into "longer positions" until....wait for it.....profits are booked again!!! Congratulations, you discovered perpetual motion.

You shouted the most overcrowded trade of the year....buy AAPL. I'm sorry but you have to start sharing your wisdom on broader issues to gain credibility on here.

And yes, silver down 25pc from it's peak parabolic move, which is conveniently the start time of your choosing, not overall 2011 performance. Congratulations again, you should apply for a job with JPM's accounting department, they love sh1t like that over there.

AAPL 382.20
SLV 32.00
AAPL +3 SLV -3
AAL leads +23 vs SLV -11

AAPL 405.00
SLV 26.94
AAPL +4 SLV -3
AAL leads +27 vs SLV -14

AAPL +21 percent (annualized up 28.57 %)
SLV -33 percent (annualized down 44.63 %)

AAPL 456.48
SLV 32.28
AAPL +36 percent (annualized up 44.12 %)
SLV -23 percent (annualized down 23.48 %)

monthly points
AAPL +4 SLV -2
AAL leads +31 vs SLV -16

end of period points
AAPL: +20 points (winner) and + 36 points (percentage increase) = 56 points
SLV: -23 points (percentage decrease)

TOTAL
AAPL: 87 points
SLV: negative 39 points

AAPL wins by a margin of 126 points.

Excellent proof (if proof were needed)that one should have bought Apple.

I see that gold has gone up 20% in the same period, which would put its performance in the middle of these two.

Polybot - how do you think Facebook will perform?

haven't really looked too hard at facebook, it could do very well on initial speculation but there are too many questions around the ipo and the  business itself for my liking. a lot of the price will be based on sentiment and hype and i'm sure plenty of insiders will make money long or short but i don't want to be on the wrong side of those trades.
medium to long term for the company is equally unsure, it will be interesting to follow, but not interested in the gamble.

Thanks, polybot.

"Menelaus
14 Apr 11 12:50 Joined: 03 Feb 05 | Topic/replies: 1,565 | Blogger: Menelaus's blog
Here's my position: MASSIVELY short AAPL

polybot
15 Apr 11 06:57 Joined: 20 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 2,213 | Blogger: polybot's blog
not sure you understand the deliberately simple rules of the game but for the sake of goodwill and because you're a "special case" I'll generously lend you 1000 pretend AAPL shares with no interest or stops to be closed out 1 Feb 2012."

that inspired short would have lost you $121,190.00
lucky there were no fees or interest charges.

Oh yes, another "make believe", "I make the rules" trade by our little girl. It reminds me of a certain cage match......LOL

lucky it closed 1st Feb melly, today you'd be down over $275,000 on your short.
anyhoo, the one year anniversary on this thread coming up, aapl up 82 percent, still with the last few april calls to sell/roll over, any advice melly?

well it's been a year now to the day so the 12 month result is:
AAPL up 89.16 percent (that's around a $300,000 loss if you were short 1000 shares)
SLV down 23.20 percent
sold a couple more of the april calls at close last week, just missed on the last 3 so will get rid of later. quite a good year.

all out of the april calls by the 10th, sold in the range of $585 up to $632 at the highest. couldn't resist the price last friday and put about 5 percent of the returns into weeklys for earnings.

polyahole, try posting a trade BEFORE you open and close a trade one of these days. I thought benny the clown was in a league by himself when it comes to aftertiming but you're certainly giving him a run for his money.

Oh, by the way, did I mention I was shorting aapl all the way down from $644 to last Friday's close?

Just saying.....

Oh, and I forgot to mention, the trade yielded profits equivalent to an average bloke's "10 year wages"

I mean what the hell, you down under clowns have totally turned this forum into a circus with aftertimed trades and profits, I may as well join in and enjoy the show.

nice trading polybot.

thanks ben, wasn't planning on buying just yet but might look at some more longer term buys if the price drops this week, original plan was buying in the may/june period.
earnings will be good but maybe not good enough for the week, have some other stocks reporting later in the week so looking forward to getting aapl done.
do have any thoughts on the NZD? I've been meaning to move some USD but the last couple of months have been very flat.

Aftertiming clowns blowing kisses to each another. Is this part of the scrip, or are you chaps improvising for entertainment purposes?

as if you thought he couldn't stoop any lower, melly is now trying to gloat about an aftertimed trade.

the only slight problem with this is he went bankrupt long ago shorting aapl all the way up from $300. It's pointless being right if you haven't got any money left by the time your prediction actually happens.

Listen you low-life, just because you deposited a few quid in an igindex account doesn't make you, or your halfwit partner in crime, traders. Do you understand that?

If you don't understand that by now, you will soon enough when your balance shows ZERO.

Now go do something useful like search a few penny stock minors' websites, and all the other useless blogs you follow, and then come back here and post "news" that the market hasn't priced in yet so we can all get rich overnight. Such is the magnitude of your idiocy…...

"polybot • April 22, 2012 5:23 AM BST
couldn't resist the price last friday and put about 5 percent of the returns into weeklys for earnings"

This should be clear, even to you melly

"polybot • April 23, 2012 10:55 AM BST
wasn't planning on buying just yet but might look at some more longer term buys if the price drops this week"

This also should be clear, the price dropped significantly this week (after this post), on monday AND tuesday.

poor old melly absolutely seething!

Melly bought a load of calls at 600 at the close on Monday that will be cashed out today, not because I expected a beat on earnings but rather because AAPL IS THE MARKET and the market is supported every time it looks like it might roll over. The numbers they are reporting are about as credible as the government inflation number but that's a different debate for a different day.

It's just that melly is pretty sure of himself and doesn't feel the need to post diatribe that can play both ways to impress mugs on here with aftertimed ficticious "returns".

I hope you spend some of your alleged returns to buy some higher heels.

melly seething

"Melly bought a load of calls.."
refering to yourself in the first person? are you turning into a gollum?

though it does explain all the seething, and the multiple identities

Three posts on the trot again fanboy. I' m starting to think *you do* suffer from attention deficit disorder.

The money line that you can't run away from is the earning "may not be good enough", showing your utter confusion of what was to be expected.

Why would anyone go long through weeklys, or "long term play" when they believe the earning "may not be good enough" is mystery where I live. Evidently, not so much in the upside down world you do.

To be fair though, I have to commend you on the skilled use of elusive language, complete with unspecified trades, maybes, possiblys and mights. You got it down to an art.

"earnings will be good but maybe not good enough for the week, have some other stocks reporting later in the week so looking forward to getting aapl done."

just to recap for melly, the forum clown.
aapl closed at 603, well below monthly high of 640. good profits to be made in the correct range though.
melly's after timed trades would have been marginal/losses. amazingly he STILL can't get it right with hindsight

the difference betwenn ignorant and stupid
ignorant = a lack of exposure to information
stupid = full exposure to the information but the inability to process it

for melly:
betwenn = between

FFS I know I said try to concentrate before you post but don't you think five days is a bit excessive? And it still takes you three posts to say whatever the feck you were trying to say. Hilarious.

another pointless post, well done dufus.

melly specializes in pointless posts.Everything else confuses him.

The down under clowns need to come up with new material, this comedy routine is getting stale.

The down under clowns need to come up with new material, this comedy routine is getting stale.

another pointless counter-post from Mr Dufus Consistency

I'll "counter" as soon as I stop laughing.

do keep bringing this thread to the top melly, it's a wonderful testament to you being MASSIVELY stupid.

You want to see stupid? As in massively, epically, brain dead stupid?

Posting, and worse believing, *THIS* trash *IS* what I call stupid. Your Katy Huberty "I'm a fanboy and I'm awestruck" post:

polybot 14 Mar 12 13:24 
she was first in 2008 to the sub 100 aapl price target.
2008: $95
2012: $960


P.S. I know it's hard to smile while puking blood but at least try. Or, as a minimum keep fondling that iPad, it might cheer you up waiting for $960. Throwing your heels at me is a road to nowhere.

it's been 6 weeks since that post and you STILL don't understand it, it wasn't that complicated a point, you really are an idiot

i'm guessing you missed the latest move on monday melly, a few million for the promise of a pulitzer is small change compared to buying a nobel peace prize.
here's a hint to help you work out the the $95 price target. the answer was around $200 plus in the opposite direction.

You got it down to two posts, did your mother help you read the pharmacists instructions on your pill box or something?

All I want to know is, was Katy and all her fanboy followers buying at $644?

HERE'S THE HINT YET AGAIN MELLY YOU ILLITERATE FOOKWIT:
"the $95 price target. the answer was around $200 plus in the opposite direction"

cue more blanks stares from melly, bernanke this, fanboy that...
thankfully there is an endless supply of dimwitted mellys in this world.

polyahole is coughing blood. AAPL drops below the 50 DMA.

do explain why i would be worried melly.
it's at 582, that's up 74 percent from when you shorted it a year ago.

I doubled my money in buying a totally insolvent bank (BAC) in just over 4 weeks you numbskull, I didn't have to tie up money in an expensive stock for two years. This is what you halfwits that have been blinded by all the apple glitz fail to see. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PLAY THIS MARKET, not just parroting "buy apple".

And yes, you have every reason to be worried, appl has shown serious weakness the last few weeks. Or, or have you been blinded already by fondling that iPad so much that you don't even see it? Don't bother answering, it was rhetorical.

Menelaus
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And yes, you have every reason to be worried, appl has shown serious weakness the last few weeks.



Thanks for this warning.

Could you please advise if this weakness likely to have the same impact on Apple’s share price over the coming months as the last time you warned against going long (back in June last year).

Many thanks in anticipation of your reply.

My bad, how sacrilegious of me to post anything that hints trouble in the land of the one way trade. What the feck was I thinking? Apologies for making you wait this long.

"I doubled my money in buying a..."
sure you did melly, sure you did. was this when you were on that special mission for the SAS where you single handedly saved the entire Smurf village from Lord Voldermort? but it was top secret so you couldn't talk about it at the time?

polybot---

melly now holds yet another forum record--aftertiming by 4 WEEKS!!!!!!!

it seems so strange that when posting in close to real time melly has not had a single winner- despite many attempts

but,miraculously he has winner after winner  days and now weeks after the event?

for a guy that  trawls the forum on a minute by minute basis he must have an iron will to keep quiet for so long.

"I doubled my money in buying a totally insolvent bank (BAC) in just over 4 weeks"
so BAC at a low of 5.00 (19dec2011) and it's high of  9.80 (16mar2012), dunno what you use but that's 3 months by the gregorian calendar.
how is it possible even with weeks of aftertiming is it possible to get this wrong???

and weren't you "loading up" on march qqq 62 puts in the middle of this?
they expired worthless by the way. (you can still buy the mays for, er, one cent)

melly is so thick he cant even get the aftertiming right!!!!!

not even with 4 weeks to plan it

polyahole, I will be accurate to four decimal points in the future, your pseudo-intellect demands it.

Menelaus
02 May 12 22:15
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My bad, how sacrilegious of me to post anything that hints trouble in the land of the one way trade. What the feck was I thinking? Apologies for making you wait this long.




So was that a yes or no?

I'm trying to figure out why you're wasting time posting here instead of calling your broker and buying more. It's getting cheaper by the day...LOL.

Menelaus
04 May 12 15:52
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I'm trying to figure out why you're wasting time posting here instead of calling your broker and buying more. It's getting cheaper by the day...LOL.




You seem to have mixed me up with somebody else - I have never held Apple shares (at any price).

Despite re-reading your replies many times, I am still unsure of your answer to my question. For the sake of clarity I would be grateful if you could answer with a simple yes or no.

Many thanks in anticipation of your answer.

You are a little bit straight forward there...

This is starting to feel like a scene from "Waiting for Godot". Instead of wasting your time waiting in anticipation, use your time wisely and buy. It's going to $960 this year according to Katy Huberty, haven't you heard? If this doesn't satisfy you, stop waiting in anticipation, you're likely to be disappointed.

melly desperately evading the questions to avoid looking stupid , changes topic to the Huberty post which though quite simple, he clearly still doesn't understand it.
if he gets any advice on etfs he will quickly become confused and angry and lash out.

All I want to know is, was she buying at $644?

it went to $644? wow, anyone who handed out advice to short it at $335 would be feeling pretty stupid about that.

melly- are you on day release from the asylum?

your last dozen posts have made zero sense and are  quite absurd.

spell this word

M
E
L
T
D
O
W
N

Katy, Katy, Katy, WTF is going on here Katy????

Hordes of Chinese Coolies lining up to buy anything that starts with an "i" in front of its name, and all I get a lousy bounce that fades in two weeks?

The horror, the horror.........

melly dazed, confused and on the edge now after losing everything on his famously disastrous trades.
even his imaginary treasure chests of pirate doubloons and pieces'o'eight secretly buried under his house have dropped by 2 percent today.
"Scallywags looted me booty. Skuttle me Skippers. Weigh anchor! Hoist the mizzen! Arrrr"

So was that a yes, or a no? Was she buying at $644?

I see dead fanboys.......

mellys  hands are bruised and bleeding from carrying all that gold out to his minivan

Dear Katy

I was starting to question the wisdom of loading up on AAPL $100 higher than today's price, expecting your $960 target to be around the corner, instead of using that money to short the living daylights out of that dog, the AUD, but your note today leaves me completely reassured I did the right thing.

I totally agree, the new Apple store in Bangladesh surely will have them lined up around a few slum blocks and will add another few billion iPad unit sales to the balance sheet.

I can't wait for the iPhone 5 to be released this autumn, with a slightly bigger screen and a liquid metal case (how cool is that???), I'll be lining up here in London myself at least a good three days in advance just to make sure I get one.

Always loyal,

a fanboy

posting from an iPad

another floundering, confused, rambling and very juvenile post from little melly

AAPL up 63 percent from when you MASSIVELY shorted it last year.

I see dead fanboys

Dear Katy

I certainly don't possess anywhere near the level of your analytical skills, nor the financial sophistication of polyahole………wait, wait, wait, pardon me Katy, give me a second, I almost chocked there…….but should I have bought more AAPL at $644 (you know, for a long term move) or should have shorted the feck out of the AUD that moved 1200 bps (or wait, is that bps or PIPs……these financial stuff can be so confusing) lower????

Anxiously awaiting for your response. In the meantime, I'll keep fondling that iPad.

Best regards

a most loyal fanboy

P.S. Oh yes, one more question, should I keep buying Facebook?

its a pity melly you can offer nothing but aftertiming sarcasm.

fail.

Dear  Katy,

I write to you in great distress today. Polyahole, your lead cheerleader, has just had a nervous breakdown. He was hoping today would be the day that the $644 was retaken, as all the down under inbreds were primed for a big market today. But alas his precious aapl went down 1pc today. They just announced that they are adding sports to siri for feck sakes. It just doesn't make sense, no wonder the poor chap lost his senses.

I beg you to put a note to clients out immediately with "buy buy buy" plastered all over it. His partner in life (he happens to very affectionately call her "mother") is very concerned with his mental condition.

A devoted fanboy

(posted from an iPad)

Is Menelaus just a " bad" apple. ?

no, he's just a sad fantasist with psychological problems. we should treat this poor, sad soul with more sympathy.

BUT polybot, remember that melly was in psychops- as an operative.

or was that as a patient,I wonder?

he must have found it hard to fit in , what with all thaat sordfighting training at the spartans day camp for warriors

" sword"

perhaps the medical procedures weren't correctly explained to him and he may have confused "psychological operations" with "brain surgery".

polybot 12 Jun 12 01:10 
no, he's just a sad fantasist with psychological problems. we should treat this poor, sad soul with more sympathy.




Oh, irony can be sooooo sweet.

Dear Katy

Ooooops

there must be some big news out, has your MASSIVE short at $335 finally come in after over a year Melly?

just checked, now $570 and you still have a MASSIVE 70 percent loss on that call, possibly not a good idea for you to keep bringing this up.
keep trying though, I wouldn't deprive hope to a desperate, drowning man clinging to whatever wreckage he can grasp.