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Tennis Talk 2024: Vol 17 (French Open)
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think most people knew going into this tournament he wasn't going to win because of the year he was having, Goran jumped ship knowing the end was nigh
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Chess players have more more physical exercise and arm action than a Bayern Munich goalkeeper has on average in games against Arsenal and Werder. To an extend I understand their desire to have their level of physical exertion acknowledged.
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I had Novak going out to Ruud pre tournament in my draw so he's going out a round earlier than expected unless he somehow turns it around now
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good trolling edy, but no.
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haha
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lol edy
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Neuer had plenty of arm action flapping at the goals he conceded to Madrid in the Champions League semi final
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GSM
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the roar
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Didn't claim Bayern goalkeepers see no action against remotely decent competition.
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Can I have 30 please for Novak outright?
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Djokovic is a past master at gamesmanship. I've seen him many times pretending he's injured
but still manages to win. Cerundolo is so naive if he thinks Novak is struggling. He's just smiled after winning a point and look what happened. Oh! I've lost the game. |
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sport includes the definition of 'physical activity' and 'skill'
you'd have a hard time convincing a judge a board game is a sport with that criteria, that are sitting down and having literally memorised hundreds to lines to know the exact top engine moves to play in each position at the top level, or any titled player level, that kind of pre arrangment and lack of phsyical exertion means it cannot possible be a sport, those that try to push it as a sport are chess geeks who want to seem cool by calling themselves sportsman. Last point from me on this as we are being boring geeks ourselves in debating it, but the some do claim that that chess has both aspects to some level (though physical is obv the biggest question), and many sports don't meet criteria for physical level or skill directly e.g. darts and snooker are less physical in strength like chess. On memory, players can only use direct templates/memory up to a certain point, after which almost all games move to novel setups, so they can never just rely on memory alone. Just as a sports player recognises some elements in games but always needs to adapt in real time and ineract with the novel spatial aspects in the game setup (just like in other sports). I'm 50/50 with the debate personally, as I can see chess is less about strength, but so are many other sports. I do see how some show the comparison is much closer than seems at first - spatial piece manipulation and speed of action in chess are fairly physical just slightly different from other sports, and speed is often a chess element needed in reactions shown. It's closer to a sport than many would think IMO. And finally, many 'sports' like being a jockey are joke sports really. |
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wow !!
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Nothing wrong with his legs that point
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yes they can only rely on 'theory' for so long, but given openings and end games are set in stone, if you have studied them, they 33.3% of the rest of the game, the middle game, cannot be enough to call the whole thing a sport, there's just too much pre arrangement. At the top end, player have agreed to a draw very early on when they both go into a well known position in the middle game born out the opening, the best example is the 'Berlin'.
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not unlike Novak to fight back like this in a Slam and go on to lose against a mug like Cerundolo. 7-6, 6-2 coming imo.
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And the crowd thought he was injured. Cerundolo needs to refocus quickly
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Novel positions happen a lot quicker than you may think Mes - it's due to the massive variety possible in moves and positions. The crucial parts of the matches are always where novelty must be thought through and responded to in moves made.
Reason I'm really boring on this is because I actually studied the Psychology of chess at doctorate level. Ps. no I'm not that good at playing it though! |
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Well, what a surprise that was
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Novak saw Sinner almost getting bageled last night and said Hold my beer.
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meanwhile Ruud with a comeback in the TB.
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Set Ruud
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stu, I'm mostly talking about at the very top level, at most levels novel positions will obviously occur quicker, but the very best are always drawing the biggest tournaments such as the candidates for a reason. And the fact that you can offer a draw or go into a well known draw line tells you that cannot be a sport, no real sports allow you to agree a draw, that's called a f1x
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you can do a draw in high jump, pole vault ...
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used to be able to do that in suicide comp, but edy put an end to this
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whatever happens, he's playing another 4+ hours game, when he really didn't need it.
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Ruud I think he'll take. Neither Zverev or Rune are good match-ups for him. Then he will be relying of Sinner and Alcaraz to wear each other in the semis.
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they're disciplines of the whole sport of athletics, most athletics sports you can't, and it's usually when they can't jump any higher, like when Barshim and Tamberi drew, I think that was because they'd both already reached their limit, so if they carried on it'd been like jumping down if they kept failing at exactly the same height, so both had reached the maximum, it is different, in chess at the top level, many many times players play for a quick draw on purpose, in high jump and pole vault they are actually trying to beat each other.
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come on, they're taking an easy way out to secure gold because the rules allow it. Don't you think at Wimbledon 2013 if just before the final Bartoli and Lisicki had the option to both be Wimbledon champion they wouldn't have taken advantage of the opportunity. But of course there are no such things in tennis and you have to play for the victory.
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Mes, not much different from a re-rack in snooker IMO
 Will have to agree to disagree about it being a 'knowable' game played, the variety is so massive in actions played out that doesn't happen and impossible for them to calculate or store, even if some subsets can be 'calculated' in partial completion, though yes they can agree the draw as one issue. I'd say calculating how certain Italy sides play out a 1-1 or 0-0 draw late in the season is easier to calculate by the players |
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athletics is very rogue like that. Total anarchy. If the say final is for 12 jumpers and in qualifying 15 jumpers make 1.90 or whatever they can just say "Nah, we're done for the day" organizers can do nothing and are stuck with a 15 jumpers final. Novak and his PTPA could only wish of such power.
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Cerundolo see's Djokovic not running for balls so he thinks he's won the match.
Now Novak is running for everything and Cerundolo' head is now scrambled. Job done. What Novak does is despicable and definitely not sportsmanlike at all. |
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Skill aside, there is NO physical exertion ffs
that's why Darts is no a sport. It is a pub game for chavs, which is why Bob and Grant love it. |
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finally we agree on something
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I've been telling edy this re darts.
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In that high jump final, neither could jump any higher, so next course of action would have been to lower the bar - to a level they had already jumped, they'd both maxxed out, jumping down is stupid
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