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By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 17:54
but sports more popular in Norway than chess
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 17:55
Haaland is a better question due to football being a bigger sport. Johaug might be more popular than them all.
By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 17:57
who
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 17:58
Skiing dreamboat
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 17:59
pills for Novak.
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:01
Think having their dominant world champion at chess is a badge of honour for Norway, so would say he's mega famous there - though I take the point about sport always dominating chess generally for fame..
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:01
some think chess is a sport also, though some debate it...
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 03 Jun 24 18:02
1.35 to 1.65 after holding first game of the set
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:04
I know he's huge in India. I think he's big in Norway as well. It helps to have someone be THE best in their sport, especially a smaller country as it puts them on the map.
By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 18:04
chess is deinitely not a sport, majority of the game is memorisation, all the openings and end games have been worked out already, just a matter of studying, which only the few do to the enth degree, i.e the super grand masters, who've been playing the same and studying every day since the age of 6 and 7, it's only really the middle game where there more tactical chances and creativity at the very top level at least, sport is unscripted.
By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 18:06
it's like at the candidates jusst gone, and the previous candidates, most games are draws, that's why Fischer hated it and created fishcer random or chess960 as he thought chess was starting to become all pre-arranged thanks to the studying with modern computers, the best lines and 'theory', and as it turned out, he was right.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:06
bad body language Novak again.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:07
2 games after pills.
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:07
There's a massive debate about it being a sport/not - been going on a long time, as those who want it a sport point to other aspects much beyond memory alone. But it's a complex debate.

When you watch speed chess in novel positions or players short on time, it's far from just memory as they throw the pieces around to win.

Sorry this is way OT while Novak poss losing is far more crucial Laugh
By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 18:07
I think we've seen Novak win his last slam
By:
edy
When: 03 Jun 24 18:08
There is precious little competition on grass.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 03 Jun 24 18:09
+2.5k Nole
-500 Francisco

Hoping pills kick in and his movement returns properly. Seen Novak win from here way too many times not to go for it
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:10
I'm liking that book. Problem is knees injuries is something else that's just not about fighting pain.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:10
Not sure I've seen Novak with knee injuries before which is remarkable if true.
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:13
Even if he gets through this, cannot see him grinding against players like Ruud and Zverev then the other biggie in a final - cooked IMO for the title...
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:15
I would probably say chess is not a sport but if e-sport passes as a sport then the bar is set low.
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:16
The debate also uses some other dubious 'sports' for comparison e.g. darts, snooker, walking, climbing etc
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:16

Jun 3, 2024 -- 6:13PM, stu wrote:


Even if he gets through this, cannot see him grinding against players like Ruud and Zverev then the other biggie in a final - cooked IMO for the title...


Logically yes, but he's been like this mid tournament before with other body parts and come out on top. However, he hasn't played his best tennis since November last year and just turned 37.

By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:17
horse riding...
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:17
don't get me started on darts! The ultimate chav sport.
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:17
sport for the horse!
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:18
Walking is a sport, just a very silly one. Climbing probably is, just incredibly boring as a spectator sport.
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:18
I never totally write him off, as it's him, but I'd put odds big right now for the title....
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:18
13 outright now.
By:
edy
When: 03 Jun 24 18:19
"Chav sport" Shocked

Britain has ruined you.
By:
edy
When: 03 Jun 24 18:20
The PDC is getting tough on its many alcoholic players smuggling alcohol onto stage these days.
By:
wisewords
When: 03 Jun 24 18:20
I feel like Novak is going to lose today and even if he does somehow win I feel he should be about 30 for the title
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:21
Another crunch break against him!
By:
wisewords
When: 03 Jun 24 18:22
meanwhile, do you feel the power of the Mirra Andreeva?
By:
wisewords
When: 03 Jun 24 18:24
forum opinion question:

would this have happened to Djokovic anyway because he was so tired after Saturday night? is this knee injury thing a bit of a smokescreen to save face for his running out of steam?

or no, this knee injury has ruined his chances today and he would have won otherwise...

thoughts?
By:
stu
When: 03 Jun 24 18:26
wouldn't put it past him to fake an injury for sure, whichever the reason...
By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 18:29
sport includes the definition of 'physical activity' and 'skill'

you'd have a hard time convincing a judge a board game is a sport with that criteria, that are sitting down and having literally memorised hundreds to lines to know the exact top engine moves to play in each position at the top level, or any titled player level, that kind of pre arrangment and lack of phsyical exertion means it cannot possible be a sport, those that try to push it as a sport are chess geeks who want to seem cool by calling themselves sportsman.
By:
wisewords
When: 03 Jun 24 18:30

Jun 3, 2024 -- 4:33PM, edy wrote:


wisewords • June 3, 2024 2:18 PM BSTPetros is a doubles specialist. I think the correct decision was made hereedy • June 3, 2024 2:20 PM BSTPracticing for that olympic gold.wisewords • June 3, 2024 2:21 PM BSTdon't be silly, have you seen them play?The Super Tsitsipas Bros. are one game away from beating the #4 seeds, you h4t0r!


Blush

By:
mesmerised
When: 03 Jun 24 18:31
Novak can't have recoverd from the previous round
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 03 Jun 24 18:32
no, I think the knee injury is real and a consequence of being old and the long match on Saturday.

would have won today otherwise, unlikely to have won the whole thing.

imo.
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