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By:
GRANTCKING
When: 11 Jul 16 21:10
anyone watching this speedway? absolutely mental meeting
By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:10
Also lol Aaron? 2% of GDP. I don't think £350m a week is even 0.1% of the economy.
By:
SabineIsGOAT
When: 11 Jul 16 21:10
I would be fine if london became independent seeing as I live here but would feel bad for the remainers who don't live here
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:11
anybody seen "white lives matter" doridoru ?
By:
winningthought
When: 11 Jul 16 21:11
Grant you legend Grin

Speedway ffs Happy
By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:12

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:07PM, edy wrote:


but it's still sad if every suddenly falls into an egomanial hole and way of thinking


But it's all bluff anyway Edy. If London started serious threats the rest of the country has zero option but to listen, it would be the end of the country otherwise. Hence it can just be a tactic to get what they want.

By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:12
Boris will get cabinet roll , but not Gove
By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:12

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:10PM, SabineIsGOAT wrote:


I would be fine if london became independent seeing as I live here but would feel bad for the remainers who don't live here


It would never actually happen. The rest of the country would be forced to back down.

By:
edy
When: 11 Jul 16 21:12
Which would just alienate people further. Also not good
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:12

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:10PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


anyone watching this speedway? absolutely mental meeting


who's playing

By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:14
British GDP is like 2 trillion. £350m a week is £18.2bn a year. It is literally nothing, only mugs fell for that.

But it was combined with buzz words like will go to the NHS. You had to be a complete mug to buy into that though.
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:14

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:10PM, n88uk wrote:


Also lol Aaron? 2% of GDP. I don't think £350m a week is even 0.1% of the economy.


sorry, didn't mean GDP

meant of budget

By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:15

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:14PM, n88uk wrote:


British GDP is like 2 trillion. £350m a week is £18.2bn a year. It is literally nothing, only mugs fell for that.But it was combined with buzz words like will go to the NHS. You had to be a complete mug to buy into that though.


like doridoru ?

By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:16

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:12PM, edy wrote:


Which would just alienate people further. Also not good


What are there options? Back down, or what? Fight a war they are certain to lose?

People are already alienated. Don't Aaron, SiG, tof and I sound pretty alienated to you? There's going to be people raging whatever happens now.

By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:17
there's going to be a lot of angry people whatever happens which is why this referendum will be forever stupid
By:
winningthought
When: 11 Jul 16 21:17
But that's the problem, there were so many lies from both sides that the campaign didn't actually have that much effect on peoples voting - people tuned out. Many people had decided way before, people have been think about this issues for 30 years.
By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:18
It is going to near impossible to unite the country. The only feasible way is if you get the pipe dream deal of free movement for us, not free movement for you. But leavers think that's the target, remainers realise that's never going to happen.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:18
The claim: The next prime minister will not be allowed to invoke Article 50 - the mechanism for leaving the European Union - unless an act of Parliament authorises them to do so. 

Reality Check verdict: It may turn out that an act of Parliament is needed before Article 50 may be triggered, but it is difficult to see how Parliament could in practice ignore the result of the referendum.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:19
A group of unnamed business people and academics represented by the law firm Mishcon de Reya has launched a legal challenge to require a future prime minister to get the approval of Parliament before triggering Article 50.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:21
The lawyers at Mishcon argue that triggering Article 50 would automatically, although not immediately, override the European Communities Act 1972, and that only Parliament can change its own legislation.
But some legal experts argue that the 1972 act would remain part of UK law until it is repealed by Parliament at the end of the process, rather than the beginning.
Cabinet Office minister Oliver Letwin told the Commons foreign affairs committee on Tuesday that the government had been advised that the prime minister could trigger Article 50 without an Act of Parliament, but that Parliament would have to be involved with the changes to the European Communities Act.
It is important to get it right, because Article 50 says a member state may decide to leave only "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements".
During the campaign, Prime Minister David Cameron said he would go to Brussels immediately after the referendum to trigger Article 50, although he has since decided to resign.
If he had gone straight away, it would have had to have been with the use of prerogative power, a collection of executive powers held by the Crown since medieval times and now placed in the hands of ministers.
They are often used in foreign affairs that Parliament has largely left to the government. So, for example, the prime minister would not ask Parliament who to nominate to be head of the European Commission or whether to ask for a lower EU budget.
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:22

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:17PM, winningthought wrote:


But that's the problem, there were so many lies from both sides that the campaign didn't actually have that much effect on peoples voting - people tuned out. Many people had decided way before, people have been think about this issues for 30 years.


must have pretty depressing for remain side to basically realise that fact based or numerical arguments were going to have no impact on a large group who were purely voting on emotie issues

By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:22
emotive
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:23

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:12PM, aaronh wrote:


Jul 11, 2016 --  9:10PM, GRANTCKING wrote:anyone watching this speedway? absolutely mental meetingwho's playing


2 mugs went flying there

By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:26
Dr Thomas Horsley, an expert on EU law from Liverpool Law School, says the challenge to the prime minister's ability to trigger Article 50 without the prior approval of Parliament is "based on a particularly wide reading of a set of cases on limits to the exercise of prerogative powers".
But he adds: "It would be politically necessary with respect to Article 50 that when prerogative powers are used, Parliament is consulted - at the very least."
Kasra Nouroozi, from Mishcon de Reya, says: "Everyone in Britain needs the government to apply the correct constitutional process and allow Parliament to fulfil its democratic duty, which is to take into account the results of the referendum along with other factors and make the ultimate decision."
It is the suggestion that there are "other factors" to take into account that is tricky, because the majority of MPs were in favour of staying in the EU.
By:
winningthought
When: 11 Jul 16 21:27
aaron, the emotive arguments were quid-pro-quo - as in most political campaigns. The major difference was that the tone and sentiment were truly horrid.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:27
A Cabinet Office spokesman said: "As the prime minister said in the Commons, we have now got to look at all the detailed arrangements, and Parliament will clearly have a role in making sure that we find the best way forward."
So it sounds like there will be some involvement from Parliament.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:29
It has come as a shock to many that the referendum result itself is not legally binding in UK law and it alone does not trigger the UK's departure from the EU.
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:29

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:27PM, winningthought wrote:


aaron, the emotive arguments were quid-pro-quo - as in most political campaigns. The major difference was that the tone and sentiment were truly horrid.


definitely

still can't get my head around the whole anti-experts thing that went on

By:
edy
When: 11 Jul 16 21:32
you guys are not alone in that. Happens in lots of other countries too
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:34
Mishcon de Reya's clients argue that under the UK constitution the decision to trigger Article 50 rests with Parliament.
The firm has been in correspondence with government officials to seek assurances over the process.
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:34
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/10/lush-cosmetics-moves-to-germany-because-of-brexit-5998494/

gimme back our Lush, ed
By:
edy
When: 11 Jul 16 21:34
I'll send them an email
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:34
Mishcon de Reya believed that any prime minister using executive powers to start the process would be acting unlawfully because they would be overriding the 1972 European Communities Act that enshrines UK membership of the EU.
The law firm says that constitutionally only legislation can override legislation and an act of Parliament is required to give the prime minister legal authority.
The passage of such an act could in theory provide the majority of MPs who favoured Remain the chance to block the UK leaving, our correspondent said, but he added that this seemed "constitutionally inconceivable".
By:
aaronh
When: 11 Jul 16 21:35

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:34PM, edy wrote:


I'll send them an email


Happy

By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:37
Kasra Nouroozi, a Mishcon de Reya partner, said: "We must ensure that the government follows the correct process to have legal certainty and protect the UK Constitution and the sovereignty of Parliament in these unprecedented circumstances.
"The result of the referendum is not in doubt, but we need a process that follows UK law to enact it.
"The outcome of the referendum itself is not legally binding and for the current or future prime minister to invoke Article 50 without the approval of Parliament is unlawful.
"We must make sure this is done properly for the benefit of all UK citizens. Article 50 simply cannot be invoked without a full debate and vote in Parliament."
By:
edy
When: 11 Jul 16 21:37
Employees will be given the option of moving to Dusseldorf if they wish.

I understand if average joes don't bother with umlauts, but can't big online publications borrow some for their articles? Is that too much to ask for? Dussel = dimwit
By:
winningthought
When: 11 Jul 16 21:37
aaron; if I can just take the other side of the argument briefly, it is unfortunate that economists, and to a lesser degree, politicians see themselves as some sort of 'scientists'. This was a slam-dunk attack vector for the Brexiters, since these groups of people are constantly getting it wrong. People are fed up with others tell them they know best, hardly get it more right then the old fella drinking alone at the end of the bar.
By:
n88uk
When: 11 Jul 16 21:45
Pennetta was officially removed from the rankings today.
By:
tof
When: 11 Jul 16 21:45
Wasn't it Theresa May who wanted snooping powers and access all of our browsing history's ?
By:
edy
When: 11 Jul 16 21:46

Jul 11, 2016 -- 9:45PM, n88uk wrote:


Pennetta was officially removed from the rankings today.


aaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww Sad

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