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IF HE IS NOT ON DRUGS I WILL EAT MY HAT
IF HE IS NOT ON DRUGS I WILL EAT MY HAT
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Tbh I think you have to defy belief for a second to not have some suspicion that EPO is rife in the mens game. I mean the physicality has gone up 5-fold in the last decade yet seemingly the players can recover better than ever showing no ill effects. Top level sport definitely in my opinion has a darker underbelly that the Lance Armstrong case just scratched the surface of. I mean the reality is, at no point in the history of testing have the top athletes in athletics been clean, yet now all of a sudden we are meant to believe tests are foolproof and everyone is clean. And most sports aren't even bothering with the tests.
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of course there is a risk, what if there is a falling out with the people administering the drugs , or if coach was sacked and went public, that sounds like a risk to me.
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it is a well known fact djokovic takes hgh human growth hormone and has blood transfusions to boost red blood cell count, same as what the spanish footballers take.
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Because Puggy4 those people would be ending their own careers by doing so. Your coach doesn't even necessarily need to know. It will be these fitness trainers, conditioners and the like. If you were the doctor, there's a high chance you will end up in prison.
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djokovic blood doping
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_wertheim/08/30/day-2/index.html |
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In my view Murray was all over him in the first set, clearly superior, as Murray began to tire Djokovic kept the same level of energy and outstayed him as he tends to do in the vast majority of matches. It is time for them to start testing properly.
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If they don't stamp out fixing they not going to do to much about performance enhancing drugs. Who would have thought Agassi took drugs during his career?
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.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lax-drug-testing-casts-undue-shadow-over-centre-court/story-fnb64oi6-1226562186044
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They are world class athletes, and backing up two days later for another 5 setter is par for the course for the elite athlete - the top 5 - or top 10.
They train for 3 five setters in a week. And they time their fitness run for the grand slams. They have massages and saunas to help with recovery - and can push through pain!! Professional sports is rife with doping. Even the linked to article about Djoko's "egg" - that's just part of professional sports, physiological and biological research - for use in sports and military etc. It's the habitual cheating/addiction that the authorities try to eliminate. The experimenting just is something that "has to happen" for "development". Sad but true. |
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSBRE90R05F20130128?irpc=932
Mike Bryan, 13 time slam winner reveals he has never been tested out of competition |
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*blood tested
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YOMOMMA 27 Jan 13 22:13
it is a well known fact djokovic takes hgh human growth hormone and has blood transfusions to boost red blood cell count, same as what the spanish footballers take. Can you maybe point to even a small bit of evidence to confirm this fact? Or maybe the FACT is you are just talking complete c rap |
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The big doping cases happen in athletics and cycling for a reason. They are very physical sports that require much less skill than tennis, football, basketball. There is no drug that will enhance your forehand, or ability to dribble like Messi or there is? Don't know if they are clean but at least tennis is a sport with a lot of skill involved unlike cycling or athletics (speed or endurance running). Murray looks very well prepared, has very good stamina and at this point he looks more muscular than Nadal ffs. Truth is Djokovic has better groundstrokes than Murray, is not all about stamina.
If someone would read these comments without watching the match he would think Murray is some kind of big shotmaker that got outlasted becasue he has bad stamina, which is not true. |
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The large improvements in stamina is a give away. A gluten free diet would not produce this. The only reason there are not that many caught doping in tennis is that the testing is almost non existent. The more the lack of testing the more players will cheat. Just look at boxing. Sporting bodies deep down don't want to do testing as it costs money and once they start to find doping it damages the sport. Cycling was forced into it. Tennis and other sports will be if someone blows the lid on it.
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Stamina is a large part of tennis. The ability to outlast your opponent in terms of fitness is a very big advantage. Obviously you need to be able to hit the shots but being able to recover and have more stamina than your oppponent is massive. The gluten free diet and the egg only mars things. The improvement in Djok has been remarkable. I'm not saying he's doping but there's alot of things to suggest he could be.
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Well is cycling stamina is everything. It's not like Djokovic used to moved like Berdych tough
 Djokovic always had speed and showed he can beat everybody long before 2011, even won a slam in 2008. |
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yomomma it is not a 'well known fact that djokovic takes hgh and has blood transfusions' FFS. Yes, in cycling stamina is everything, it is a sport based purely on endurance and tactics with very little skill involved. Cross-country skiing is very similar and also lends itself to dope. The Finns had a hospital that all their skiers went to for blood transfusions as far back as the 1970s!
Obviously, you have to be skilful enough to go toe to toe with the top players in order to take them past 3-4 sets and that is when the real effect of doping can give you an advantage. But it can also result in you returning shots that would otherwise be winners and I think we are seeing more and more of that in tennis (although that can be a result of the slowing down of the courts to an extent also). I won't trust cycling until I see mountain stage winners panting and not being able to even talk or give an interview after a 5-6 hour stage, like we used to have before EPO came on the scene. Tennis was similar only a few years ago but not anymore for certain players. CP stamina is everything in cycling but it is also everything over the course of a 2 week GS where you play at least 3 sets every other day. Cycling is not an impact sport like tennis, it would take a lot longer to recover from a 5 hour tennis match than a 5 hour stage in cycling. It is not just the increased endurance/stamina but the massively reduced recovery times of the top players which are suspect. Both are unprecedented and are not possible without modern dope IMO |
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I don't accept that the big doping cases happen in cycling and athletics purely because they lend themselves to dope more. They primarily occur because they have a more effective doping programme and governing authorities that actively and intelligently pursue dopers (to an extent), unlike tennis currently. Endurance sports are always the first to have problems with new age drugs and then they eventually filter down to all sports. Cycling has had dopers since the 60s but it is only since the EPO era that there have been widespread bans. The reason for that is that it was becoming obvious even to casual cycling fans that the peleton was doped. Average speed for TDF winners went from 35kph in the 80s to 40+kph in the 90s because of EPO (about 15% faster). I think the same thing is starting to happen in tennis with more and more people starting to ask questions.
In the same timeframe as the advent of oxygen vector drugs we have also seen the influx of massive TV money in sport and that creates a conflict of interest for governing authorities - they have a product worth millions, billions in the case of the EPL and football, and they don't want a doping scandal affecting the value of that product. So, for a truly effective anti-doping programme you need to remove that conflict by having the programme administered by an unbiased third party. That is not going to happen IMO. you can see that in cycling at the moment, the UCI are responsible for creating and perpetuating the Armstrong myth and should be disbanded but they are clinging on for dear life for one reason: CONTROL. Control of BOTH the product and control over any potential scandal that could affect the value of that product. Lance Armstrong was actually good for cycling in many ways, his fairytale made the sport much bigger and more popular than it would be today if he had never raced or had been caught in 1999 like he should have been. He massively increased the value of the product and still cycling is only a fraction of the value of the tennis product (although it carries out 50-100 times as many tests?). So you can see how the conflict of interest has affected the ITF's willingness to pursue dopers. TV money is corrupting all sports, governing bodies and athletes alike. They all have a common interest in not rocking the boat. |
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chillipaper: Djokovic always had speed and showed he can beat everybody long before 2011, even won a slam in 2008
_______________ How true! It's just that some structure forgot or do not remember Djokovic before 2011, and now it's all suspicious. Well, educate yourself people first, read the history of tennis, a recent one, and then you'll have less questions, for sure.  |