IF HE IS NOT ON DRUGS I WILL EAT MY HAT

Eyes popping out of his head, let's hope they don't wait for another few years before we get the full Oprah.

Get a grip.

drugged to the eyballs and yes i backed him

i beleieve hes on drugs simply cus of his record since gluten gave up. but y do u think so over 2.5?

I wanted to post a thread about this myself.

And no i am not "seething" because i didnt back Murray in this match or anything, but i have in fact been closely following Djokovics physical fitness, stamina and endurance for the last few years.


Here is an interview right after winning a match against Jarrko Nieminen in Basel, early november 2010, he looks exhausted to the point that he is hardly breathing and standing on his legs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IR5va5Qhk


after playing only two sets? really? funny thing is that from the beginning of 2011, he looks a lot fresher then that even after playing 5 sets after 5 sets...last year for example he beat Rafa in the classic final right after that extremely exhausting 5 set match against Murray :)

I am not accusing him of anything as a fact, YET. Just pointing out some interesting facts. My opinion is that he is not clean. What do you think? :)

you haven't got a clue about the mechanics of doping if you think his eyes are a giveaway. You can dope with oxygen vector drugs like EPO, AICAR and do blood transfusions and not have any trace in your system come competition day. In-competition tests are more like an IQ test than a dope test - you have to be an idiot to get caught ie you'd have to be an idiot to be 'glowing' during a tournament, there is no need.

I don't think today showed any obvious signs of doping really, but that doesn't mean he is not dirty. Look at the last year's AO if you are looking for extra-terrestrial performances. I do not believe the egg or gluten stories either.

the EGG is legal

so is a gluten free diet but i don't believe they can have such a massive effect on performance

i dont believe that either DJOCKY OR NADAL are clean

interesting interview that, only one month before the start of his run (davis Cup)

46 wins in a row

i think that murray, nadal and djok are not clean

yes i'd agree with all 3 JK. and i think the brits have become v dirty the last year. olympics, cycling etc etc. they are like the spanish now
http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/
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tom-english-fuentes-doping-case-silent-on-football-1-2761603

why would u tink murrays not clean? he clearly tired today? I aint seen djocko tire in ages. possibly last time v nadal last year in aus.

murray has injured his feet

he wasn't too tired

today they've televised how djoko's team was adding something to his drinks. did you saw that?

i saw same stuff last year from murray's team. they also were adding something to his drinks on tv

yes i saw the stuff being added today aswell. perhaps because of armstrong were all paranoid about it now

today's doping techniques are not like 20 years ago. they give a 15% increase in endurance and that is huge. once any one of the 3 is at it then it's highly probable the other 2 are or they couldn't compete over 5 sets. I reckon Nadal has been at it for years (Spanish highly suspicious for years and more advanced than other countries at it) and Djok and Murray realised this a couple of years ago.

JK i'd doubt the stuff in the drinks is dope, you can take all dope pre-competition and be clean in-comp but still retain all the benefits. that's why in-comp testing rarely catches

i'm not saying that it was doping but this kinda strange i think.

i think that murray was injured 'coz i saw same stuff from him against nadal at wimbledon in 2011

he won 1st set and then broke nadal in the 2nd and then he injured his feet and lost

same stuff here.

have a look at this video http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm

this is the guy who doped marion jones for years and got her around the tests. a good insight into how and when it is all done - pre-competition

interesting video and article

atp needs to do something

not sure that they want to. looks like they don't want scandals..

yeah fourth quarter, when all the slams are finished and competition stops

the missed tests are the key here - you can miss 2 - falsify your whereabouts and this is not published. just make sure you're available and clean for the third. than after 18 months the counter resets and you get your 2 strikes back. i would bet the majority of the world's sports stars are doping.

what a load of krap, if you saw Murray`s training regime you would realise the effort he puts in to get to his level of fitmess, im sure Nole and Nadal the same, these guys are tested mant times out of competition during the year, if Federer suspected anything he would be down on them like a ton of bricks.

puggy you are cluless, look a the ITF stats for ooc tests as well as their budget. Djoko just came out and told everyone that he hasn't had an ooc blood test in 7 months. And they don't even test for EPO in competition.

Yes the 3 strike system is a joke, particularly when most players don't get 3 ooc tests in 18 months! If a player misses an ooc test during their whereabouts hour then they should have to submit to a test within 12 hours or the missed test is made public. If they do not then a second ooc test should be sought the next day and every day until they either get a sample or the 3 strikes are up and a ban ensues. They need to target these players and players putting in unusual performances or jumping up the rankings out of nowhere like errani

What a load of bollox. every time someone wins from now on they have to be on drugs.

Seething mugs pissed off they lost there dole money if you ask me

im not seething 1 bit. and im a big nadal fan. but u have to really consider that these players might be on something. Federer 31 and i have never seen him sweat. nadal an absoloute beast who can last 5 hours and 2 days later do something simalr. djocko who i think is the strongest contender for this give up gluten in his diet after years of retiring injured or completly exhausted is now superhumn and can outlast even the beast that is nadal.

i didn't lose money today, i had green on both. and today's performance was not suspicious from either player. But the suspicious performances are not just your normal 5 setters or serve fests like you used to get at wimby, the courts have been slowed so that there are longer rallies and more and more 5 hour matches and then same again a couple of days later. what we are seeing is unprecedented energy levels & not normal imo.

Murray is right up there with Nadal and Djokovic if we talk stamina and speed.

wow who else lost a ton of cash on this match like me??

and look at all the tennis players on twitter giving out about a '6AM wake up from doping control'. They call at 6AM because you put that time down on your whereabouts form FFS. Always wonder about these guys, they should be happy to undergo tests and have a clean sport, small price to pay for a life most people only get to dream about.

will Adidas come up with a shoe that prevents blisters

look at all the tennis players on twitter giving out about a '6AM wake up from doping control'

ITF's own stats show this only happens an absolute maximum of 3 times a year for the players and most not even once. Williams sisters not tested at all out of competition in 2011.

ITF records a grand total of 21 blood tests out of competition in 2011 for ALL tennis players. Only 3 of these were women.

I'm sorry but if 2 seething gamblers have worked it out so would the thousands of people involved in tennis. Next you will be saying its a mass cover up.

Nothing to cover up they don't do meaningful testing so noone gets caught

withdrawal of sponsors, public humiliation, possible titles being stripped, lengthy ban, loss of revenue,  disgust from the other players ,  why would Nadal , Nole or Murray risk such  a thing.

thats a fair point.

why would Nadal , Nole or Murray risk such  a thing.

There's no risk - that's the point. Do it right and you won't get caught.

Why did Lance Armstrong do it?

To put himself in a position to win titles and get the sponsorship and revenue in the first place.

Personally I can't have Murray is doping. If he is he's the worst advertisement for it ever given he usually looks knackered just stepping out onto the court.

Tbh I think you have to defy belief for a second to not have some suspicion that EPO is rife in the mens game. I mean the physicality has gone up 5-fold in the last decade yet seemingly the players can recover better than ever showing no ill effects. Top level sport definitely in my opinion has a darker underbelly that the Lance Armstrong case just scratched the surface of. I mean the reality is, at no point in the history of testing have the top athletes in athletics been clean, yet now all of a sudden we are meant to believe tests are foolproof and everyone is clean. And most sports aren't even bothering with the tests.

of course there is a risk,  what if there is a falling out with the people administering the drugs , or if coach was sacked and went public, that sounds like a risk to me.

it is a well known fact djokovic takes hgh human growth hormone and has blood transfusions to boost red blood cell count, same as what the spanish footballers take.

Because Puggy4 those people would be ending their own careers by doing so. Your coach doesn't even necessarily need to know. It will be these fitness trainers, conditioners and the like. If you were the doctor, there's a high chance you will end up in prison.

djokovic blood doping

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_wertheim/08/30/day-2/index.html

In my view Murray was all over him in the first set, clearly superior, as Murray began to tire Djokovic kept the same level of energy and outstayed him as he tends to do in the vast majority of matches. It is time for them to start testing properly.

If they don't stamp out fixing they not going to do to much about performance enhancing drugs. Who would have thought Agassi took drugs during his career?

.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lax-drug-testing-casts-undue-shadow-over-centre-court/story-fnb64oi6-1226562186044

CONSIDER this hypothetical sketch. After a four-hour match at the Australian Open, in the searing heat of the day, the winner returns to his hotel room and is infused with blood, boosting his red-cell count.

He then takes human growth hormone to repair micro-tears in his muscles and returns to the court 48 hours later in a fitter state than he was at the start of the previous round, runs around and wins again. What could tennis do about it? As things stand, the answer is nothing.

At present, there is no proviso for blood-testing winners and a loser's sample will not be specifically tested for blood-doping unless the authorities request it -- which they do not. They will not say how many tests they do for HGH, which may mean none.

They are world class athletes, and backing up two days later for another 5 setter is par for the course for the elite athlete - the top 5 - or top 10.
They train for 3 five setters in a week.  And they time their fitness run for the grand slams.  They have massages and saunas to help with recovery - and can push through pain!!

Professional sports is rife with doping.  Even the linked to article about Djoko's "egg" - that's just part of professional sports, physiological and biological research - for use in sports and military etc.

It's the habitual cheating/addiction that the authorities try to eliminate.  The experimenting just is something that "has to happen" for "development".  Sad but true.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSBRE90R05F20130128?irpc=932

Mike Bryan, 13 time slam winner reveals he has never been tested out of competition

*blood tested

YOMOMMA     27 Jan 13 22:13 
it is a well known fact djokovic takes hgh human growth hormone and has blood transfusions to boost red blood cell count, same as what the spanish footballers take.

Can you maybe point to even a small bit of evidence to confirm this fact?  Or maybe the FACT is you are just talking complete c rap

The big doping cases happen in athletics and cycling for a reason. They are very physical sports that require much less skill than tennis, football, basketball. There is no drug that will enhance your forehand, or ability to dribble like Messi or there is? Don't know if they are clean but at least tennis is a sport with a lot of skill involved unlike cycling or athletics (speed or endurance running). Murray looks very well prepared, has very good stamina and at this point he looks more muscular than Nadal ffs. Truth is Djokovic has better groundstrokes than Murray, is not all about stamina.

If someone would read these comments without watching the match he would think Murray is some kind of big shotmaker that got outlasted becasue he has bad stamina, which is not true.

The large improvements in stamina is a give away. A gluten free diet would not produce this. The only reason there are not that many caught doping in tennis is that the testing is almost non existent. The more the lack of testing the more players will cheat. Just look at boxing. Sporting bodies deep down don't want to do testing as it costs money and once they start to find doping it damages the sport. Cycling was forced into it. Tennis and other sports will be if someone blows the lid on it.

Stamina is a large part of tennis. The ability to outlast your opponent in terms of fitness is a very big advantage. Obviously you need to be able to hit the shots but being able to recover and have more stamina than your oppponent is massive. The gluten free diet and the egg only mars things. The improvement in Djok has been remarkable. I'm not saying he's doping but there's alot of things to suggest he could be.

Well is cycling stamina is everything. It's not like Djokovic used to moved like Berdych tough Djokovic always had speed and showed he can beat everybody long before 2011, even won a slam in 2008.

yomomma it is not a 'well known fact that djokovic takes hgh and has blood transfusions' FFS. Yes, in cycling stamina is everything, it is a sport based purely on endurance and tactics with very little skill involved. Cross-country skiing is very similar and also lends itself to dope. The Finns had a hospital that all their skiers went to for blood transfusions as far back as the 1970s!

Obviously, you have to be skilful enough to go toe to toe with the top players in order to take them past 3-4 sets and that is when the real effect of doping can give you an advantage. But it can also result in you returning shots that would otherwise be winners and I think we are seeing more and more of that in tennis (although that can be a result of the slowing down of the courts to an extent also).

I won't trust cycling until I see mountain stage winners panting and not being able to even talk or give an interview after a 5-6 hour stage, like we used to have before EPO came on the scene. Tennis was similar only a few years ago but not anymore for certain players.

CP stamina is everything in cycling but it is also everything over the course of a 2 week GS where you play at least 3 sets every other day. Cycling is not an impact sport like tennis, it would take a lot longer to recover from a 5 hour tennis match than a 5 hour stage in cycling. It is not just the increased endurance/stamina but the massively reduced recovery times of the top players which are suspect. Both are unprecedented and are not possible without modern dope IMO

I don't accept that the big doping cases happen in cycling and athletics purely because they lend themselves to dope more. They primarily occur because they have a more effective doping programme and governing authorities that actively and intelligently pursue dopers (to an extent), unlike tennis currently. Endurance sports are always the first to have problems with new age drugs and then they eventually filter down to all sports. Cycling has had dopers since the 60s but it is only since the EPO era that there have been widespread bans. The reason for that is that it was becoming obvious even to casual cycling fans that the peleton was doped. Average speed for TDF winners went from 35kph in the 80s to 40+kph in the 90s because of EPO (about 15% faster). I think the same thing is starting to happen in tennis with more and more people starting to ask questions.

In the same timeframe as the advent of oxygen vector drugs we have also seen the influx of massive TV money in sport and that creates a conflict of interest for governing authorities - they have a product worth millions, billions in the case of the EPL and football, and they don't want a doping scandal affecting the value of that product.

So, for a truly effective anti-doping programme you need to remove that conflict by having the programme administered by an unbiased third party. That is not going to happen IMO. you can see that in cycling at the moment, the UCI are responsible for creating and perpetuating the Armstrong myth and should be disbanded but they are clinging on for dear life for one reason: CONTROL. Control of BOTH the  product and control over any potential scandal that could affect the value of that product. Lance Armstrong was actually good for cycling in many ways, his fairytale made the sport much bigger and more popular than it would be today if he had never raced or had been caught in 1999 like he should have been. He massively increased the value of the product and still cycling is only a fraction of the value of the tennis product (although it carries out 50-100 times as many tests?). So you can see how the conflict of interest has affected the ITF's willingness to pursue dopers. TV money is corrupting all sports, governing bodies and athletes alike. They all have a common interest in not rocking the boat.

chillipaper: Djokovic always had speed and showed he can beat everybody long before 2011, even won a slam in 2008
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How true!

It's just that some structure forgot or do not remember Djokovic before 2011, and now it's all suspicious. Well, educate yourself people first, read the history of tennis, a recent one, and then you'll have less questions, for sure.