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*** Eurovision Grand Final IR Thread ****
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UK could have got Blue to tour each and every persons house individually and they'd still not of faired better. I think the greatest shame of all is that a song voted the winner clearly by the masses has been toppled because Sweden had innovative visuals against 3 people with cracking voices who didn't have any fancy visuals.
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It's crazy a song like Italy which has the backing of the masses basically goes into a final with no chance of winning.
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All the results up on wiki now
I see Finland were 10th with the public in the 1st semi. One solitary point from the juries |
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"Look at the bigger picture
How did France, Spain, Austria Germany and UK do? All terribly Look at France 2012 - great song.....but it bombed. " Thats not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is to look at the songs individually. The UK send garbage year on year , automatic qualifiers would mean nothing. Spain will never win it singing in their native language and with little diaspora. |
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The best songs sent this year from the auto-qualifiers were Italy and Australia and they both hit the top ten.
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Look at Italys PV, they could of sent the best song of all time and got 12 from each country and still not won and the market knew it.
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Italy hardly drifted though. There's clearly some inside money but it's hugely exaggerated by some on here
Sweden would have been a back @1.1 if you knew the jury vote and Italy 1000 |
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Wise words you are a pathetic sexist , how the betfair police tolerate your scummy remarks is beyond me.
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Think we strongly disagree. If a select few know and are in collusion (the official result is known before they go to the first set of votes which in itself should suspend the market) then you'd sit that and hammer the Sweden price and then take your foot off the gas, see it sing moderately badly and then hammer it again, then hype the close runners and then smash Sweden some more, it's certainly how I'd play it. If no one knew the jury vote then Sweden would of gone 3.5+ easily. The reaction on social media and in the audience after Italy sang was up there with diversity and their price crumbled, Italy went out from 6.0. A select few imho DEFINITELY knew Sweden were unstoppable and hence they were odds on for most of the night despite everything pointing to them not winning the PV.
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And as an insider you wouldn't:
A) go laying close rivals for tens of thousands B) play side markets and pick of good value bets Both those would make you look suspicious. All you would do is print tens of thousands of free money on Sweden and let everyone else in the market push Russia and Italy in. Without jury votes Russia and Italy would of been a similar price to Sweden, someone knew they were unstoppable imho. |
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WP on Israel btw, great shout and great tune
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I think the Sweden price move could just as easily be explained by it being well top on iTunes and the RO of the results
Most of the drop in price came after that |
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Cheers. I did somehow manage to turn a small profit in the OR but Israel top 10 the one decent result for me
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It's my favourite market, and I have to say this was a vintage year for music. Thought Israel, Belgium and others all entered great tunes. From a betting medium I would love to go back to pre 2009 with no juries as I think it's betting on a market where half the votes are already cast and known to a select few isn't ideal. To my mind Sweden got the highest jury vote ever, and was being backed as such, fearlessly despite clearly struggling to win a PV.
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If a dumbo like me can predict a MANS-SLIDE on Betfair mid morning on the day of the final basically done on the voting order then it stands to reason thousands of others will have done the same. I guess there will always be some who could potentially use the inside info but to me the bulk of it was common sense public money
It's a TV show and the only act (and I use the word act and not song) people (not ESC fans but the once a year viewers) will remember from this in 4 years from now is Sweden and the stick man....just like Conchita's beard. It was the iconic moment and the worthy winner. Had he performed last like Italy, Mans would have won the PV. The juries merely corrected that imbalance |
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Is food for thought anyway! Just wish it was public votes only as would obviously make any threat of insiders more dampened instead a select few go into the final knowing half the votes and that Sweden were unstoppable!
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From a betting POV and as a viewer I think pure PV is far better
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I always feared the juries would scupper the chances of Lena
 Thankfully they didn't. Though she only she scrapped home with the juries, while she p1ssed the PV |
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As you also say RMB. It makes it far more difficult for the insiders, if there are any, to make hay
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I always feel sorry for the insiders. They`ve got the crucial knowledge, but how do they play it? Keep on swipinhg everything that appears, at ever lower prices, OR, sit back and let the market push Sweden out as you continuously nibble away at the much bigger prices. All the while knowing that the longer it goes, the more insiders there are who are likely to jump in, all of a sudden, and take everything that you`ve been trying to snaffle? Decisions, decisions...
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Conchita didn't just win the vote. She hacked up in it. The jury vote was much closer
I can't see how this system is sustainable. It will surely lead to more countries withdrawing |
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lol don't feel too sorry for them tim
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Fig voted for Lithuania
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Can`t help myself, fll, I like to know my money`s gone to a good, and deserving, home.
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Surely the RO of votes would of been similar if it was just PV. Sweden were favs, and won their semi, and were on top of itunes, so they'd have weighted it to late Sweden votes no matter what. However if it was a similar voting order and just PV there is NO WAY that the market would of acted as it did last night, urgo sum, a select few knew and were backing Sweden as if they were unstoppable (which they were).
Hopefully one day we get back to pure PV :) |
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If it ever does get back to 100% televote then you will have countries like Poland and Azerbaijan automatically qualifying into the final every year and always ending up top 10 and even top 5 in final every year. Then should this happen there will be people complaining and wanting the Juries back to stop the diaspora voting.
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14th and 15th Poland and Azer in PV this year Corby.
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Indeed. They've run out of free sim cards in Azer
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Good points on here. IT crossed my mind that in this Pop Idol X Factor era it's all getting homogenised. Hence three runaway leaders from start to finish pretty much. Didnt leave many crumbs for the bottom half. Used to be that all countries would get to double figures pretty much but 4 or 5 single figures and 2 nul points, has given us an all or nothing sharing out of the points.
Sweden, Russia and Italy all hoovered up in their usual allies but picked up plenty of 'bonus' points. That wouldn't have happened in the 2010-2013 voting system where juries picked a top Ten and all others being treated as jt 11th. Nice to see non-traditional songs like Latvia and Belgium perform admirably but Finland for instance would have at least had a sniff of qualifying. I suspect somewhere that even UK appealed to a few individual jury members and under the old system we might have scraped a few more points. |
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Shame on anyone not voting. People died to ensure we could vote! Or was that General Elections?
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The UK number?
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"If a dumbo like me can predict a MANS-SLIDE on Betfair mid morning on the day of the final basically done on the voting order then it stands to reason thousands of others will have done the same. I guess there will always be some who could potentially use the inside info but to me the bulk of it was common sense public money"
Exactly. I don't know why some people think every correct market movement has to be insiders (even though they may well have been present). It was obvious to many Mans was overpriced after the vote reveal order was publicised. I'm more surprised by the strength of layers in the 2.4s and 2.5s. "Had he performed last like Italy, Mans would have won the PV. The juries merely corrected that imbalance" Yup, I agree with this too. |
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I’m surprised people argue that the SF’s don’t benefit an act.
1 They get experience of the actual gig. No rehearsal can give that. 2 People who voted for them in the semi have some emotional investment. They want “their” act to do well. 3 Itunes etc gets people talking about the act – publicity and interest. 4 Songs that are instant to some listeners are not to others. Sweden and Russia are not my type of song but I appreciated them more on second listen. 1st listen passed right over me. This is a common phenomenon in music. (It works the other side as well – a song loved can on repeated (many) listens bore, and then on further listens irritate.) |
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Australia smashed Belgium in the Jury vote. I'd prefer to trust jury vote than public going by that.
Portugal gave Australia 0 points if my memory serves me right. Think they also gave Spain very little last year. I'm starting to think all Portuguese are tone deaf...... And judging by the last 2 stinkbombs they sent, I could be right! Georgia's calculation that Armenia was the best song in the competition is a joke. I reckon if Guy had not tried to dress like a Granda, he might have got 4th.... Iceland sounded great off the video, but LIVE, Dear God she was awful....I'd say that surprised a few not qualifying & getting just 14 pts. I thought the Russian performance on the night was very weak for the verses. Can the person who backed Finland at 3/1 to win the contest outright please reveal themselves? |
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Finland was robbed by poncey juries. Qualified on the televote.
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The juries get it right more often than the public, no?
Finland had no business being anywhere other than LAST in everything. Total shyte. |
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I'd much rather trust the public than a bunch of music 'professionals'. Some in the Dave Arch band ffs
 Finland was a far better example of it's genre than most of the songs in the contest and deserved to go through As for Australia and Belgium. I'm astonished Australia finished so high after watching the final. I thought it was one of the poorest songs in the 1st half |
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