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By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 21 Oct 13 15:45
Maybe Horangi, anything is possible.

King could take charge for the game and they could announce the permanent manager just before before kick off.  That would make rule interpretation exciting.
By:
Horangi.
When: 21 Oct 13 17:05
Best guess the person didn't read the rules and thought they could guarantee a profit backing King elsewhere and laying here.
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 21 Oct 13 17:50

Oct 21, 2013 -- 5:05PM, Horangi. wrote:


Best guess the person didn't read the rules and thought they could guarantee a profit backing King elsewhere and laying here.


That's my guess too. But is it a guess and only a guess, so my position is manageable no matter what happens.

By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 21 Oct 13 17:53
Bad day 4:00am start.  sb: But it's a guess and only a guess
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 12:37
DM incoming again Mr Brush
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 13:31
Gone now I am afraid Mr Brush, the Sportsbook chopped their odds from 15.0 to 4.5.

The only reason I know the Sportsbook rules are the same as on the exchange is because @betfairhelp have confirmed this on their twitter feed. I have looked again at the Sportsbook rules this morning and for the life of me I cannot find any written indication on how they might settle that market. Mick is going short this morning and if I was a Sportsbook punter and backed Mick at 1.5 only to find that he was appointed after the Poland game I would be miffed.

@betfairhelp seem unable to point anyone to where the Sportsbook market rule is actually written down.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 22 Oct 13 13:38
Yes, caution is needed there...

Why the 3 game rule?  Normally 10 for caretakers. Just international rules?
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 13:42

Oct 22, 2013 -- 1:38PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


Yes, caution is needed there...Why the 3 game rule?  Normally 10 for caretakers. Just international rules?


That's right, it's because they play less games and the idea of these rules is to reduce the time money is tied up where a caretaker is appointed.  Along of course with the debate surrounding what constitutes permanent and what does not.

To see what the old rules looked like go to the Next Socceroos coach market, the Aussies still use the old rules.  That will almost certainly be Ange btw & deffo not Guus.

By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 13:44
As for caution on the rules, betfair have now confirmed on a number of occasions that the rules are identical and I don't see how they can backtrack on that. it's just a pain to have to ask them what the rules are on each new manager market.  Bizarre but true :~(
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 14:02
Meanwhile

Betfair Sportsbook ‏@Betfair 1m
Mick McCarthy is now into 1/2 to replace Giovanni Trappattoni as the next Republic of Ireland manager. pic.twitter.com/kszrm9MOoL

If I were them I would go industry best. At 1.5 they are far from it! Especially as looking at that market it is like betting on apples or pears.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 22 Oct 13 14:15
Must have taken a few pounds on micmac

Not sure why he would need a come and get me plea if he's having the job
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 22 Oct 13 14:42
It's a puzzler George.  If I was a naive newbie I would be laying the crap out of him based solely on the news flow and the probable tiny amounts of money that bookies need to move their odds.

As a seasoned old crusty I still might but not till I get different signals.
By:
Horangi.
When: 23 Oct 13 14:51
Bit of money wanting to back Advocaat.  Was just hired as AZ manager a few days ago, that would be quite the story. lol
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 23 Oct 13 21:18

Oct 23, 2013 -- 2:51PM, Horangi. wrote:


Bit of money wanting to back Advocaat.

By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 23 Oct 13 21:18
Good spot Horangi, that money would not be there if theis was a high volume market.
By:
Horangi.
When: 23 Oct 13 21:36
What are you waiting for Shirley, take it down. Wink
By:
Toto82
When: 23 Oct 13 21:44
I took the free moola
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 23 Oct 13 22:07

Oct 23, 2013 -- 9:36PM, Horangi. wrote:


What are you waiting for Shirley, take it down.


It's a low liquidity market, cash is king so I have taken just enough for how my book looks.




............







Did you see how I slipped king into that?  Impressed?

By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 23 Oct 13 22:09
Nothing is free moola but I agree that probably is.
By:
Horangi.
When: 24 Oct 13 15:00
O'Neill back in across the board.  Maybe finally realized he has no other viable options.
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 24 Oct 13 15:41
So he is.  I had understood he and the FAI were poles apart in funding his salary demands.

It's difficult to see what volume that came in on with an aged graph but it's possible that they are talking again.
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 24 Oct 13 17:52
In other news MON is 2.8 to lay on the exchange and is 5.0 to back on the Sportsbook.  Nige can look away now.
By:
Horangi.
When: 24 Oct 13 18:10
I've taken care of that. Danke fur.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 25 Oct 13 11:38
FYI posted by Keen Leader, a very respected forumite on Irish Forum on Wednesday evening 23rd.

[i]I would be pretty certain that no manager will be known for at least 2 to 3 weeks. why?... a contact of mine, a former relatively recent premiership manager, now between positions so to speak, applied for the job via his agent, and has been promised an interview I think with Houghton in a fortnights. this guy says he is a million to get the job, they all (the unemployed ex managers) appear to apply for an half decent job. apparently he also says via his agent that sven goran erikksen wants to be considered....he would be the sort of name that denis o brien would finance, I could not see what he would bring to the party, he would be worse than the recently departed.[/i]

With squad for Poland friendly due to be announced around the turn of the month,I just can't see beyond King being in charge for another game.
By:
ShirleyKnot
When: 25 Oct 13 11:42
Most helpful, thank you Ozy
By:
Ozymandius
When: 25 Oct 13 12:34
Slovenia are set to pay their first ever visit to Dublin with the FAI expected to confirm over coming days that Srecko Katenic’s side will provide the opposition on Friday November 15th, the first of what had been hoped would be World Cup play-off dates for the side.
The association has already announced that Ireland will play Poland four days later in Poznan.

It remains unclear whether there is any chance that a new manager will be in place to take charge of the Ireland team for the game and it is looking highly unlikely at this stage that there will be one to name the squad by the required date, but it is believed that at least one of the candidates for the job has been told that a decision should be taken by the association within the the next two weeks.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 25 Oct 13 12:37
^ from Emmet Malone in today's Irish Times.

There were also reports in today's Irish Independent about a flurry of bets in the Derry area for MON.
By:
Horangi.
When: 25 Oct 13 18:02
Advocaat backer back, this time at 30's.  Must be some serious itk right here. Laugh
By:
Horangi.
When: 31 Oct 13 02:53
According to this tweet the search appears to be over.  I'm guessing O'Neill has finally agreed to take the post.

Irish Sun Sport ‏@IrishSunSport 1h
Who's job is it anyway? Mick, Mart, Roy? Let's be avin ye? #coybig FAI will have their target by Monday. What's your call?
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 31 Oct 13 10:47
What is the state of play here? 

If King is in charge on 19th Nov he should be settled as BF winner yes?
By:
bearcub
When: 31 Oct 13 11:04
That's how i read it

McCarthy isn't supposed to meeting the FAI till Monday according to the Irish Examiner
By:
bearcub
When: 31 Oct 13 11:08
Actually 15th November
By:
luckyman
When: 31 Oct 13 11:08
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-in-friendly-dilemma-as-martin-oneill-continues-to-sit-tight-29709426.html
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 31 Oct 13 11:18
We await the inevitable mess when King is in charge of the match but they've already appointed a new manager to take charge later
By:
five leaves left
When: 31 Oct 13 14:24
It's a potential nightmare.
Reading the rules, surely they'd have to pay out on King
By:
Horangi.
When: 31 Oct 13 14:29
Why is there a concern of the FAI appointing a manager before the friendly and him not taking charge of it?  What am I missing.
By:
five leaves left
When: 31 Oct 13 14:36
2. Notwithstanding paragraph 1, an individual appointed by the FAI on an ‘interim’, ‘caretaker’, ‘temporary’ or similar basis who remains national coach in that capacity for at least 3 completed consecutive full senior international games (including, for the avoidance of doubt, friendly games), will be considered to have been appointed as the next national coach for the purpose of this market and Betfair will settle the market accordingly on that person.
By:
five leaves left
When: 31 Oct 13 15:15
FAI ‏@FAIreland 58m

Ireland will play Latvia in our final home game of the year in Aviva Stadium at 7.45pm on Fri Nov 15. Tics: http://www.fai.ie  #COYBIG
By:
five leaves left
When: 31 Oct 13 15:29
King matched @ 13 and the @ 6 a couple of mins later.
It's like the Strictly market yesterday
By:
five leaves left
When: 31 Oct 13 15:29
Now 2.22 Laugh
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