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im gonna have a nibble on strauss , cricket our 2nd sport and like aa says without any standouts , well he led us to an ashes vic
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Ennis and Strauss has have the best edits on this preview show imo. Strauss is the value as things stand.
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If an Ashes-winning captain is reckoned to be a rank outsider,
what has Giggs done this year to be rated ten times more likely to win than said captain? Get shortlisted |
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wouldnt even count on the welsh block vote considering his early retirement from internationals
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They play internationals?
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Spent most of his career getting a sicknote from Sir Alex. Appalling record of missing internationals.
If they can remember back that far the Welsh should be seething. |
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dead pop stars 02 Dec 23:30
wouldnt even count on the welsh block vote considering his early retirement from internationals He will need less than 6% of the Welsh vote to clinch it. The Welsh Press are behind him and will again urge the Welsh population to vote. This is before you count the 75,000 people signed up to the facebook fan club and all those Man U supporters in Guildford. Don't forget too that the Welsh can no longer vote for Lloyd on the evening of the ratings clash. |
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Here we are jr, and all other Giggs fans.
Give Alan Keegan a nudge to plug him on Dec 12th at Man U vs Aston Villa! The Old Trafford announcer info@alankeegan.co.uk |
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Anyone else having a meeting of 70,000 devoted fans the day before the vote?
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Good thread. Best of luck to the Giggs backers but it would be a travesty if he wins.
What did Giggs actually achieve in 2009? A minor part in the Premiership winning team - 15 starts 13 sub appearances A bit of a benchwarmer. 2 goals A minor part in the Carling Cup winning team - 3 starts 1 sub appearance in the final, 1 goal Champions League - 6 starts, 5 sub, 1 goal Playing more regularly now that Ronaldo has gone, and a few noticeable assists recently. Compared with a number of top midfielders there is a distinct lack of tangible personal achievement there. |
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Appears to be a career achievement award this year Blackie :-)
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Here he comes again.....
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Butten will shorten up nearer the day,superb bet at 2.2.
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Blackheath...
Games played (so far) in 2009: 38 Starts: 68% Sub Apps: 32% Yellow cards: 0 Red Cards: 0 |
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Button wins purely as BBC will ramp and ramp and ramp him some more, as they paid so much money to bring F1 back to the BBC
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save your munnie. |
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This is Ryan Giggs one and only chance of winning this award. As football is the no.1 played sport in this country, surely this most loyal servant of Man Utd, most decorated Premiership Player and exceptional role model (when was he last on the front pages?) is more than deserving of this prestigious award - he is charitable and unlike many of the other top footballers is not a big-head nor a show-off. There are arguments for and against all of the shortlisted and even non-shortlisted (Phil Taylor, Chrissie Wellington, Tony McCoy, Bradley Wiggins etc.) sportspeople, but only one can eventually win and Ryan Giggs is as deserving of this award as any other.
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There is no doubting that he deseves a gong but this is Sports Personality of THE YEAR - ie 2009
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You'd better ring round and tell everyone on the facebook campaign ;-)
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He's clean living.
Loyal. Doesn't foul much. In fact he is so good he has his own Hate Society on Facebook. He scored on Saturday. ............ 181 |
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the army of man u armchair fans will have Giggs' number on speedial on the night
I'd be surprised if he didn't win, obvioulsy doesn't deserve such an award though. |
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...who do you think does deserve to win Max?
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anyone know if giggs has scored this season?
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last saturday mate :)
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Surely Beckham should have been shortlisted - at least he's played in a World Cup, and he played a bit for England this year. ;)
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Not another Subs-Bench star please.
The only reason for voting for Giggs seems to be that he won another award. It's a funny old world. Then there is the Fergy support. With Ronaldo gone and Nani most disappointing Ferguson needs Giggs. At the moment. |
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Doing well in Guardian poll. I'd have expected him to outperform that significantly too.
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Bitterheath
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All this bench-warmer talk is nonsense, he's a very rare case of a 36 year old winger playing at the top top level, he physically can't play every match, often twice a week. If he was ten years younger he would play every game as he is one of Utd's and the Premiership's best players, but the fact is he has to miss a few in order to prolong his already illustrious career.
Also all this chat about 'deserving' is a bit of a waste of time, this is a betting forum trying to predict the winner, if you want to talk about deserving go onto the guardian website and hammer it out about why Charlotte Edwards and AP McCoy aren't on the list. Unfortunately a week Sunday 90,000 Welshies and 120,000 Utd fans aren't going to give a toss about who deserves it and that's why he's a certainty. |
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In 2000 Steve Redgrave won SPOTY after winning gold for the 4th Olympics in a row making him the greatest Olympian of all time. I don't recall anyone saying he didn't deserve the award because most of his achievements had been in previous years.
This season taken in isolation for Ryan Giggs is unremarkable. However, taken in the context of his age and his prior achievements this season is literally unprecedented in the same way that Redgrave's achievement was unprecedented. For that reason I think he is a legitimate candidate for this year's SPOTY award. |
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If he was ten years younger he would play every game as he is one of Utd's and the Premiership's best players
Which is why he doesn't figure in the FIFA 100, UEFA Jubilee 50 or any other poll of top players in the last few years. The PFA was a sentimental long service reward. Bench Warming twice against Liverpool, both Champions League Semis, Carling Cup Final just says he wasn't good enough to hold down a regular place, until Ronaldo went. No disgrace in that, but not one of Utd's best players even now they are so much weaker. |
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bunnyman
What has Giggs achieved to equal a gold medal in the Olympics ? He plays for a team and any wins or achievments are a reflection of the team. |
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GeorgeBrush
After the contest is over will you tell us at what point you laid off on Giggs ? |
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Probably won't bother CC. Looks a likely winner to me, particularly since I saw the Guardian poll.
It all looks very tight there, but Giggs is the only one with an organised group of supporters ready to pile in on the night. |
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curious-cat, trying to judge the value of an achievement in one sport compared with another is a pointless exercise and an awful basis on which to base betting decisions. I'm just pointing out that there is a precedent for past successes to be taken into consideration and no-one seemed to mind that.
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Couple of F1 drivers won for coming 2nd iirc.
A Canadian boxer and tennis player have both won |
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This market is not about making a judgement on the achievements present or past. It is about making a judgement on how many people will pick up their phones and what number they will dial.
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Thanks for stating the blindingly obvious Alex.
So you think about why people would vote for each candidate and how robust those voting intentions may be. Giggs is an interesting case of long term achievement but a very thin 2009. Heart versus head. Core vote versus broad appeal. Bandwagon versus long term intentions. Man Utd v other clubs. Wales v England...... Seems quite unpredictable to me. |
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Blackheath 05 Dec 11:01
Thanks for stating the blindingly obvious Alex. I have a 1st Class Hons in stating the ble*din obvious and I am always glad to be able to help, especially as there are a few about that do not have appeared to grasp the phone vote concept. ;) |