Cav looks the value based on the Guardian Poll:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/poll/2009/nov/30/bbc-sports-personality-of-the-year-poll

And last year's Guardian poll was a good inidciator. Note also Rooney only 3% despite the Manc support.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/poll/2008/dec/11/sports-personality-of-the-year-2008

Guardian poll looks rigged to me. I would suggest the Times poll which was a good indactor last year is more accurate...

http://timesonline.typepad.com/sports_commentary/2009/11/who-should-win-bbc-sports-personality-of-the-year-2009.html

What has GIGGS ever achieved? and what has he achived this year??

Only player to score in every year of the Premier League. A true gent and professional on and off the pitch, Giigs has won more accoalades than every other footballer of his generation.

At the age of 35 picked up PFA player of the year award after being instrumental in helping ManUtd hunt down Liverpool for the league title last season.Current player of the year. Current Premier league champion. Champions League final two years on the spin. Most decorated player in English football history including 11 Premier League titles and 2 Champions Leagues. In the last year he broke Bobby Charlton's appearance record of over 800 appearances, crossed the 150 goal barrier for Man Utd and has just scored 100 premier league goals as a midfielder. Has been at the top of his profession for 20 years. ALSO GREAT TEAM PLAYER WHO never got too big headed and never complained when no longer first choice start. Sustained brilliance for 20 years..... see Skysports 2 now..

Button had best car with a diffuser and won 6 out of 7 races before faltering badly and failing to win again after competitors cars caught up with the unique design feature.

that's the absurdity of Giggs being on list. He doesn't figure in any of the sporting highlights of 2009 yet he's 2nd fav to win the award...?

Johnnyrant, win or lose I cant have a bad word said about Giggs!
(This from a fan of Man uniteds biggest rivals - Wigan Athletic!)

The man is an absolute servant to Man U. All the reasons have been listed previous - but in an age were footballers are primarily 'on the make' through transfer fees, Giggs has played for the love of the game and his club. Is it something amazing like 900 apps with 800 starts???? The man is 36 years old and still out performing many in the game.

He may not win SPOTY this year for one year in isolation - but for almost two decades of consistency!

For the record I am on Ennis (at a much lesser price than she is now) purely because I dont think Button deserves it. Team Brawn with the significant help of a difuser won the Formula 1 Championship - Not button.

The majority of the SPOTY list are more deserving winners imo!

He's gonna take some stopping I think

Scousers will be voting to get him out too! :-)

ooooppppsss.

I think we are 5 and we have him for chunks!

Better change that!

Doing your job for you again cheps ;-) Cut it to 2 and show your compatriots where this is heading :-)

Started with some dodgy lays aa, but fortunately pulled it around with some 90, 70, 46, 40, 28, 15, 13

My argument is that will benefit Giggs no end aa.

Reduction in vote gives Man U multi voters a far better chance

I note that the purple place have created a market for this. But it gets better because it looks as if the seeder has taken his eye off the ball. Giggs is 5.6 to back over there to back and button is 2.0 to lay.

he deserves nothing chep. His inclusion on list makes a mockery of the award. The 'personalities' should have figured in genuine sporting highlights of the year. Winning gold medals, winning back the Ashes... that sort of thing. Giggs kept the Utd bench warm most of last season and doesn't appear on the 2009 sporting radar.
And disagree it's a weak year. All it shows is how football dominates the back pages. For Flintoff not to make the list is absurd. McCoy, too, is far more deserving of a place in the 10 than Giggs.

Freds just cut again

4 could look generous again soon cheps ;-)

johnnyrant 02 Dec 11:11
he deserves nothing chep. His inclusion on list makes a mockery of the award. The 'personalities' should have figured in genuine sporting highlights of the year. Winning gold medals, winning back the Ashes... that sort of thing. Giggs kept the Utd bench warm most of last season and doesn't appear on the 2009 sporting radar.
And disagree it's a weak year. All it shows is how football dominates the back pages. For Flintoff not to make the list is absurd. McCoy, too, is far more deserving of a place in the 10 than Giggs.

Thats why i mentioned his inclusion is probably down to almost two decades of achievement rather than one specific moment. The SPOTY award (or more the journalists that limped him into the list) arent just considering 'Sporting Highlights' though A Champions league final, Premier league champs and Carling cup winners and Player of the Year may fall under this category. He also works tirelessly in Sierra Leone and is a UNICEF Rep. By this I mean that the biggest sporting highlight of any year (whatever that may be) could easily be eclipsed by a huge negative.

Again, just let me state JR - I am on Ennis. Once Giggs made the shortlist he became a major runner

7-2 tops

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/12/02/the-beeb-boobs-by-ignoring-real-mccoy-115875-21866246/

Looks like someone layed him and backed McCoy :-)

Ryan Giggs 4.3 to win and 1.7 for a place

one or both of these seem seriously out of kilter

whilst Man U have a lot of fans more football fans hate them than love him ..... and it's not as if Giggs plays for England.

In Wales football is a minority sport to rugby .... and Giggs isn't particularly popular as he didn't turn out for Wales as often as he could have ... so there's not the local support for him as there was for Hoy.

All my threads are winners Cheps, this is just the first anyone has noticed ;-)

Thanks for pointing out his two huge voting fan bases again cat ;-)