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okey dokey i've took my stakes back plus a little more, still think he's a good thing but i like to leave a little profit for the next man
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Do people here seriously think Button isn't winning this? Giggs is good for top 3 I think. But that's it
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The market is just beginning to correct for the excessive moves this afternoon. Fascinating stuff, though, and there should be more volatility over the next 12 days.
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Motorman managed just 160k votes last year for winning the title. Fewer than the number of Man U fans in Bournemouth
Button has more appeal, yes, but it's a toss up for me |
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*more appeal than Hamilton
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TM i think Button is the classic sitting duck favourite that will get turned over on SPOTY these days.
I'm only playing for pennies this year though and would vote for any of the top 10 apart from him. I have loathed Formula 1 since i was in short trousers and his success and Hamilton's demise show the "sport " up for the tedious farce that it is. |
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Cavendish is the only value I can see for top 3. He should win it really.
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Last year the bookies got it very wrong and I made close to 1k on Hoy. But the lineup this year is very weak. It took one hell of an achievement by Chris Hoy to beat a somewhat unlikeable F1 champion. Who is going to beat a more likeable, better looking and more white F1 champion? What's Giggs done to deserve it?
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giggs is the most successful player in britain's top sport. he's coming to the end of an incredibly long career, playing out of his skin and a model pro. oh and he was in a title winning side this year.
this still hasn't reached its true price, imo. man u fans will have a good go at making it happen, and there's enough of them. |
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Given the beeb some tv gold over the years ...where's the vow factor with Jensen who staggered over the line and didn't even manage a bit of drama like Hamilton?
Cavendish's tour finishes were electric. |
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Button will win with 30+% of the vote.
Then Giggs, Ennis, Cavendish and Strauss will battle it out for top 3. I suspect it will be Giggs and Ennis, but one of the other two could sneak in there. |
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SPOT YEAR. What's Giggs done this year to warrant a win? Why is he 4/1 because he's on a short list when a couple of weeks ago he was a larger price than the other nine? What's been achieved recently to justify the price crash?
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The achievement was getting selected.
It's a travesty that Phil Taylor is not in there and not favourite to win |
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What's Giggs done this year to warrant a win?
nothing Why is he 4/1 because he's on a short list when a couple of weeks ago he was a larger price than the other nine? The assumption was he wouldn't make the shortlist. Now that he has done people are naturally thinking he could get a lot of votes from people who have a tribal loyalty to Man Utd. What's been achieved recently to justify the price crash? He got on the shortlist |
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TheMadness 01 Dec 18:30
Last year the bookies got it very wrong and I made close to 1k on Hoy. But the lineup this year is very weak. It took one hell of an achievement by Chris Hoy to beat a somewhat unlikeable F1 champion. Who is going to beat a more likeable, better looking and more white F1 champion? What's Giggs done to deserve it? That suggests you and the bookies got it very right TM, the punters got it wrong ;-) |
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giggs price has crashed because he has been selected, i guess many thought he wouldn't be selected
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People could have been surprised that Idowu was selected - he's a 300/1 shot having been selected. I can't believe Giggs can finish in front of Ennis or the dreadful Button.
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There was a pact. Why else were people getting on at 250 all of six months ago?
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Channel 402
Sky in on it ;) |
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He recently scored his 100th goal I believe.
And to say Button is more popular than Hamilton is ridiculous. The average person probably doesn't even realise the F1 season has finished it was in the media so little. |
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Button has more appeal to female voters than Hamilton, and possibly male too. I thought that was obvious?
Ladies could all be watching XF of course. |
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He really doesn't. I expect I'm younger than you and all girls I know would be on the Hamilton side. Then again none of them would be SPOTY voters.
Hamilton is the far more popular driver as well. He might have more haters than Button but people just genuinely don't care about Jenson either way. |
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Will be interesting to find out Benjy, not rejecting your thoughts.
Voting will be way down across the board of course, which I think makes a Giggs far more likely this year |
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I'm not saying he won't win tbh just think Lewis is much more popular, however...
I think the F1 tittle is probably the best achievement on there this year though. The Olympics obviously provided big support and even awareness for Hoy and Adlington that the World Championships won't for Ennis, Idowu and any others... |
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Cavendish biggest achievement for me, but he's about as likable as a fart in a spacesuit
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A big part of it imo is people like the Hamilton story more than the Button one..
Bloke from the slums who works every hour he can, sells everything he owns in order to get his child to be a racing driver who goes on to win a tittle in his second season becoming the youngest driver ever to win it(?) and probably the blackest(?)... Rather than Button who's dad gives someone £2m to give his son a chance. Might have exaggerated them slightly but that's how they are commonly portrayed. |
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Yea, Cavendish probably about equal (Button really couldn't do a lot else could he?) but the likeability and just knowing who he is isn't there at all.
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Don't think people give a stuff tbh Benjy. I assumed Hamilton's father was loaded too, had no idea it was a rags to riches gig
This may still come down to the VT and who has the nicest smile. |
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I reckon they could effect the votes big time with what they show. I can see them trying to keep the votes away from Giggs as much as possible as well because it would be a complete farce. Not sure they can help it now though.
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Yep, they'll be rearranging the procedure again next year. ;-)
They've left themselves to look silly by it being a glorified career achievement award |
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Agree with you Benjy
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It's voting on the night of course - nothing beforehand
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agree Benjy - Giggs will get a poor edit on night imo, and they'll go big on one of the front runners - my money's on Ennis cos her 'story' and where she's at in her career fits the award so well, whereas they know F1 is simply not loved by the mainstream.
Ennis overcame injury to take gold in Berlin, she's glamorous in a non-threatening way to female voters, and she'll be given a sparkling**tail dress, and an even more sparkling edit, that tugs on the heartstrings. She'll get a great welcome from her home crowd in Sheffield and they'll vote for her in their droves, as will Mr & Mrs Middle England sat at home. Ennis will be the pin up girl of London 2012 so in BBC's interest to help her win this prestigious prize, and hence build her profile moving forward. |
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yeah 6/1 for the hometown girl who is perfect bbc material is a big price
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just so long as she doesn't borrow Rebecca's shoes :(
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Ten reasons why button wont even make top 3;
1) Hamilton was the man last year and Button is not the man now 2) F1 lost all credibility this year with diffuser chaos and orderin a man to crash his car 3) Hamilton at least as good looking hence why he is dating the hottest girl in the world pretty much 4) Hamilton is cooler than Button 5) Button been a clown for about 10 years then all of a sudden given a far superior car and wins 6 races and admittingly drives well. Then cars catch up and he is getting 1 points to fall over line 6) Button is bland and who the hell thinks he is that likeable - i cannot see where the hell his core votes are coming from 7) small voting sample anyway - even smaller this year due to x factor final 8) Scots and Welsh will vote anyone but Button especially the Scots as the Welsh is probably a given. 9) All the housewives who may be swayed by Buttons comedy hair will probably be cooin over lil joe takin home the bacon 10) In Giggs now and Ennis there are 2 competitors who definetely have some core voters. One more out of Cavendish, Tweddle, Haye and Strauss and he doesnt even make top 3 |
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seein as tho im on a roll ill add in
11) like some bad boy poster said above Hamilton had the story 'rags to riches' and was new kid on block -- up and comin protege from the 'streets'. Button is another rich geezer who has ridden cars since he was 2 12) AND THE NUMBER ONE UNBELIEVABLE CRINGE MOMENT OF 2009 ----- 'we are the champions' singing when they went live to Button's car radio......... the bbc will play that thinking oh its an endearing bit of footage, which shows he's a personality. Wrong beeb this will backfire big time and make him look like the clown he is. |
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I don't think Button was a rich kid.
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he looks like a rich kid which is all that matters. Not that this in itself is a problem. Just not as good a story as Hamilton's
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wasnt he a bit of a playboy as well dating a string of models
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