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By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 11:26
the CTA is nothing like EU FOM.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 17 Jul 26 11:33
325k Irish live in the UK,100-120k English nationals live in Ireland. As said pro rata populations it is very lopsided.
Quite a few with both though not exceptional,isn't the CTA a good thing for them all?
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 11:52
All the more reason for an Irish only person to support the cessation of the CTA.

What are the principled reasons for the continued support of offering concessions to your nemesis?

And the reinstatement of using the native language as the default means of conversing. You don't mind using metres instead of yards.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 11:53
Is Ireland a socialist country, or does it favour capitalism as an ideology?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 17 Jul 26 12:04
I don't know where you are getting nemesis from, not really apt these days. The perception of England by Irish would be one of amusement almost these days, Boris the clown, putting trade sanctions on yourself,down with johnny foreigner, notions of your own self importance.
On the plus side you have done well with Ukraine,Labour has tried to build bridges with Europe.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 12:12
The perception of Ireland here is rank hypocrisy, backstabbing and undermining Brexit by fair means or foul.

As I allude to, your continuation of support for the CTA is rank hypocrisy.

It's not all Irish people obviously, I was very impressed by Paul Byrne on rtv for example. Most Irish people have their hands out on the surface, and deep seated seething and resentment below the surface. Plenty of Irish people that have enveloped themselves into the British establishment and doing their best to eat it up from the inside. In my opinion. But the current holders of real power in the UK tacitly support them. In my opinion.

Hopefully the Irish will return to their roots at some stage, and raise the common use of the native language above 1.5%
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 12:20
That pillock supposedly advising the idiot starmer, a primary example. Can you imagine an English person running the political governance of Ireland. Me neither ! But the tw@ats that run this place are more than willing to bend over.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 17 Jul 26 12:22
Laugh You undermined brexit yourself by not taking the GFA into the equation,don't blame Ireland for your own mess.
Besides didn't Patel want to create a food embargo, don't forget that. Ireland has opened new shipping routes since that threat to the continent.

Sin e bhfuil,biodh la deas agat.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 12:25
Boris was a necessary evil, and the fascists might have won without him, and prevented democracy. He very nearly became one of the best PMs we had, if he'd only held the line over the disastrous lockdowns. In the end, the wet liberal won out and he opened the borders to the world. Sadly.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 12:35
I would support severing all historical ties and simply have a trade agreement that we have with dozens of other little countries. Give anyone in either country currently, a decade to obtain citizenship of their respective country if they don't already have it. For free. Anyone left can return to the land of milk and honey.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 13:23
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Confused
By:
MALAY
When: 17 Jul 26 14:16
Crazy thread Cider obviously hates Ireland btw leaving cert in Irish is compulsory in Republic of Ireland.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:07
These are plausible questions.

Are you fluent in Irish?

Do you support the CTA?

Why is Ireland still based in the English language?

As I've stated in the past, I have a natural skill one might say, in being able to pick up on patterns. One example is on rtv, the Irish broadcasters search out the best angle to get the Irish flag in the picture (or, as above, bizarre directions to continental capitals in the middle of the paddock). But not the Northern Ireland tracks. In Britain, the broadcasters do the opposite on rtv, and try and find angles where the English flag /UF is out of shot. I mean, they are less evident on British tracks in any case, but avoid them when they have them.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Jul 26 15:09
Has lfc taken over ciders account?
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:10
The difference is stark, imagine them going to Leicester or Catterick, searching out the English flag, and stating how great it is to be racing in England, how great the English people are etc etc. In Ireland on rtv, it's practically every meeting.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:16
RA is pretty much the only meeting where domestic patriotism isn't sniffed at. Of course, that meeting isn't even on rtv.

The difference at the Derby is huge, whomever runs the gig has practically eliminated the patriotism. Huge difference to say, only a handful of years ago.
By:
MALAY
When: 17 Jul 26 15:19
Yes
Yes
English language is still used world wide
Good luck to you for having “natural skill” but I really don’t know why this issue would upset you, is about a Flag ? Who cares ? I’d be more interested in my bet on race, when I watch racing I don’t notice flags, it’s not going to help my bet win
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:24
Watching rtv made me think of the topic. Generally. The lack of patriotism at home isn't on the Irish broadcasters, it is on the domestic ones and whomever is embarrassed by being British/English.

The language thing is a genuine question, it doesn't make sense to me why Ireland speaks English instead of Irish. My curiosity has not really been quelled by the responses yet. Cynical approach put foreword seems to be the most logical, to attract money from America. In conjunction with an extremely low tax agenda.

Is there any demand from Irish in Ireland to start speaking in Irish?
By:
MALAY
When: 17 Jul 26 15:25
If I had 300 euros on a bet and it won they could be flying union jacks and orange order flags I would not be caring one jot, all I’d be interested in my money
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:28
As I stated, I have a flair for picking up on patterns. It's a curse as well, not just you, they seem to pass most people by!
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 Jul 26 15:28
Exactly Malay

I remember celebrating a horse winning Northumberland plate at Newcastle, with jockey wearing red and white stripes,.. 14/1 lovely stuff

Ha ha
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:28
There was some Lunatic on here who said they had orange Marches in Cricklewood Laugh
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:30
Went to the galtymore a few times , i never seen any orange marches Laugh
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:30
lol, no. Not when I was living in the area. We did get i r a bombs.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:32
I used to go to the Crown in Cricklewood, believe it or not. No orange marches in evidence, for sure Laugh
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:34
Swan at Stockwell , The Hibernian Fulham Broadway , another couple of Late night Venues

there was another near Brook Green Hammersmith , I cant remember the Name
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:35
was it the Garry Owen ?

good craic at the lot of them , plenty staggering out at the End of the night
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:36
probably less than 50 P a pint back then Sad
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:37
I went to most of them along the Edgware rd. The whole area was Irish, Kilburn, Cricklewood, Hendon, Burnt Oak, Neasden, Dollis Hill, Willesden, Willesden Green, Colindale, Kingsbury, Wembley.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 17 Jul 26 15:39
Indeed , the KPH Cider keep p@ddy happy , can't remember where that was LOL But was in it a few times , was it kilburn ?

all a Blur Mate , but were good times , and very little aggro if any
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:42
I'm afraid my memory doesn't recall all of them. Plenty of freehouses turned up as well, like the Hole In The Wall in Cricklewood. Moon Under Water? The Village was just up the road towards Harrow, that wasn't an Irish pub as far as I recollect. The Ox and Gate toward staples corner where the big bomb was. That's where the M1 starts, Brent Cross. The bomb closed the flyover for a couple of years.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:45
Not Harrow sorry, the Village was between Cricklewood and Golders Green
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:47
I used to go to the DOB club in Kilburn a fair bit as well as a guest. Irish Working Man's club. They actually had a Men's bar, no women allowed haha. That's how long ago it was.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 15:52
No, not too much trouble unless you wanted it. Witnessed a few glassings, and the barman in the DOB being knocked out then the fella gave him a running kick to the head. I got attacked once in Willesden, merrily consuming a portion of chips on the side of the road, waiting for a mini cab. Bunch of lads just decided to try and beat me up for no reason. No serious injury. I was mugged in Kilburn for my M301 phone Laugh
By:
mesmerised
When: 17 Jul 26 16:13
Only thing I know about Cricklewood was that there was a Food Giant there, now replaced by a B&Q. And that joke that if a footballer thinks he's better than he is then he's described as 'more Cricklewood than Hollywood'.

A few years ago I was watching documentary with subtitles on Oasis, as I was listening I was trying to work out what language this was, never heard it before, couldn't catch the words, sounded very melodic and Scandinavian, then he pronounced Liam Gallagher's name with an Irish accent and the penny dropped ffs. Makes sense given the Vikings founded Dublin.

Speaking of pubs however, I was always under the impression that The Dublin castle, Edinboro castle, Pembroke, and Windsor castle pubs around Primrose hill/Camden areas were built to separate the Irish, English, Welsh and Scots canal and railway workers from fighting, only recently found out that was a bit of a myth, nice story though.

Kind Regards.
By:
MALAY
When: 17 Jul 26 16:13
Greyhound going tonight lads I don’t think.she will win, but she’s fit and ready to go, first race for long time but looking forward getting her back to her job, let’s see what happens, it’s an interest for me, I love greyhounds
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 16:20
Yep, I well remember the food giant. My Nan lived on Chichele Road. FG was next to the Galty that was to become a bingo hall. One year we went to Cheltenham for the gold cup, ended up in the Galty that night, what a blur lol.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 16:23
Good luck MALAY. My uncle in Cappoquin was a greyhound trainer. My old man (RIP) used to take me to Wembley dogs as a one off treat. I could see the old Wembley from my bedroom, and hear the concerts.
By:
Cider
When: 17 Jul 26 16:27
I believe my family's farm near Cappoquin is quite close to where Jimmy Mangan trains out of.
By:
MALAY
When: 17 Jul 26 16:33
Thanks Cider appreciate that, I think she will make trio and come off sound, that is our ambition tonight anything better is a bonus.
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