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Anyone familiar with why Southern Irish as a country predominately converse in English and not Irish?
It's often pretty amusing why a lot of the Southern Irish pundits on RTV are thrown by horses given Irish monikers. Can't pronounce them, and often don't know the translation (tbf the callers usually get the pronunciation). Does the Southern Irish public not even learn the native language in education?
It's often pretty amusing why a lot of the Southern Irish pundits on RTV are thrown by horses given Irish monikers. Can't pronounce them, and often don't know the translation (tbf the callers usually get the pronunciation). Does the Southern Irish public not even learn the native language in education?
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Sinn Féin MEP Lynn Boylan complained during a European Parliament committee meeting that it was unfortunate she could not speak in Irish.
The vice chair immediately informed her that Irish interpretation was available and that she was free to speak in Gaeilge. Boylan then replied that she had not prepared her remarks in Irish and would continue in English instead. For a party that strongly promotes the Irish language, the exchange has raised questions. If using Irish is such an important principle, should senior representatives be prepared to speak it when the opportunity is available?  |
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lol
It is a curiosity. Why would a nation continue to converse and communicate in the language of another country it loathes with passion. It would be akin to England being German based. |
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Being an English speaking nation has also meant they've been flooded with third world beggars
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If the virtue signalling is to be believed, more than welcome.
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Unless they've traversed the UK as part of the excursion.
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Nobody from those times is still alive in Southern Ireland. Are they?
The UK has been irreversibly changed in 30 years. I'm not buying that. A tiny country could easily retain their original language (or revert back to it), rather than their so called invaders' enforced language. |
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It's like having had a divorce decades ago, but keeping the husband's name and still visiting his house for regular booty calls.
Most divorcees that hate their ex would sever all ties. |
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All the union jack flag waving 'patriots' in the North seem to prefer the Republics passpost then the British one,why is that?
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Northern Ireland is part of the UK is my understanding. I suppose a more pertinent question is why would people who see themselves as Southern Irish, choose to live in the UK?
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Seems even more weird, choosing to stay living in your hated ex husbands house !
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Pro rata more from the UK have relocated to Ireland,check it out.
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I don't see much bitterness towards Southern Ireland in the UK though. At least, not on the same level as the reverse.
Would you like to see the CTA consigned to the bin ? It doesn't explain why the predominant language in Southern Ireland is English. I am genuinely trying to wrap my head around why the state would not want to switch to Irish for the Irish. |
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'what proportion of the irish population is fluent in irish'
It depends on what you mean by "fluent." There isn't a single official measure, but the 2022 Irish census gives enough information to make a reasonable estimate. 40.4% of people aged 3 and over (about 1.87 million people) said they could speak Irish at some level. Of those Irish speakers: 10% said they spoke it "very well." 32% said they spoke it "well." 55% said they did not speak it well. If you treat "very well" + "well" as a rough proxy for fluency, then: 42% of the 40.4% who speak Irish ≈ 17% of Ireland's population. So a reasonable estimate is that around one in six people (about 17%) are at least reasonably fluent in Irish by their own assessment. However, everyday use is much less common: About 72,000 people (roughly 1.4–1.5% of the population) reported speaking Irish daily outside the education system. Around 624,000 reported speaking it daily including within education, but this figure includes schoolchildren using Irish in class. So the picture is: ~40% can speak some Irish. ~17% rate themselves as speaking it well or very well. ~1.5% use it daily outside school, making habitual everyday use relatively rare despite a much larger pool of competent speakers. |
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That was answered at 10.04,the bitterness may be in your head?
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17%
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1.5% use it daily outside school
lolol (that is chat gpt results) |
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As you know, I am both English and Irish. Albeit I've never lived in Ireland, half my family is from Southern Ireland, I went to Irish schools and grew up in an Irish dominated part of London, permanently in Irish social circles. So I have reasonable, first hand insight.
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Yes, the bitterness is strong.
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Do you not think you are quite bitter?
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No. Most of my school buddies where different to me, in that they weren't from a mixed family, both parents were Southern Irish. So even though they were born here, they saw themselves as Irish and typically hated England. And that was 30+ years ago!
Murphy is one of my favourite jockeys. He did a podcast in Ireland. It was very interesting as it was almost as if he thought that nobody British would see it, the guard was down. It was very disappointing how he talked about living and working in England. It's not uncommon though, I think most foreigners in England are here to take what they can take, and in it for themselves. That is my impression. Maybe every is the same, but I suspect not. Certainly most people living in the US would consider themselves to be Americans (for example). |
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Everyone knows what an Irish American is. I've never heard anyone label themselves as Irish British.
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Most foreigners are cheap labour and living almost substandard and surviving would be my view.
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Begs the question, why not go home for a better life ?
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Baffling isn't it. Land of milk and honey just a mere ferry ride away. Yet they plough on, being subjugated in England.
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Shame and failure would play some part with some,many would probably be better off returning home.
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Do you support the CTA?
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In general i do but it is getting abused from the North. You (UK) think that the level of immigration is high would be speechless walking through Cork City
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no such entity as southern ireland. theres one island and its ireland
the partition is an anachronism that will inevitably go. surprised at pa's passiveness at this anyone who knows anything, which rules out peebrain with his simplistic tripe about invasion will see this. the wars of religion waged throughout europe for a long time and ireland was part of it, and got off light by comparison to the appalling slaughter of the wars between france, spain netherlands, etc, never mind the thirty years war. why were france and spain getting involved in ireland? it was all connected too many people have no sense of historical perspective. at the time it wasnt abnormal for a state to try to impose its faith on another, the spanish attempted genocide in the netherlands being one example and it scared the life out of the brits, such was its power and wealth at the time if you want an example of brutal religious oppression theres plenty of exanples that expalin why this country was terrified of the catholic powers and the popes edicts that legitimised their actions. ireland was seen as a back door still, ireland is the only country where a state-sponsored reformation failed. which could be seen as good or bad and it was daniel o'connell (ive been to his house in derrynane) who advocated using english as it was the language that would help the country get up and prosper, and he was right |
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Ireland and England should be friends, as should Scotland be friends with England and England should have remained in EU, but maybe it was all about cryptocurrency
The truth about brexit is now emerging I doubt Donaldson will be able to spend that in prison |
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Btw I think the mob that got brexit done were clever they targeted village idiots to vote for it and made billions for themselves and left their voters skint.
Now that is clever. Horrible people but clever. |
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The EU is a venomous, evil and spiteful construct, but my debate is not about the EU. The EU just happens to be mentioned in the CTA agreement.
I was raised a Catholic, and have respect for the values I was raised with as part of that upbringing. So this is nothing to do with religion on my part. Though obviously, I recognise some of the hate that persists in Southern Ireland is rooted in religion. And yes in a very small part of the UK, that is somewhat reciprocated. But I'm still not clear on why the Irish state wants to persist in using the dialect of its sworn enemy, when it has one of its own. I'm also interested in identifying anyone coming from the Southern Irish perspective that doesn't support the CTA. This also lack logic. If the English / British are so horrible, why would you want them to be able to come and live in your country, claim your benefits et al. English people appear to have freedom of movement into Southern Ireland. I get why the British allow it, we have utter wet wipes in charge who love nothing better than to prostrate themselves over perceived ills of the dim and distant past. |
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If the Southern Irish government announced it intended to end the CTA agreement, would there be a big fuss and kick back against it there, or would it be predominately supported?
Hypothetical obviously, but would be interesting to get the perspective of others. |
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Bang on BF,of course it is the island of Ireland until a hundred years ago when it was partitioned.
You are correct in saying i'm passive but that is recent, i was quite vocal. Do i want anything to do with the animals burning people out of their houses because of their skin tone,not really, they aren't Irish and i'm almost content to have that imaginary line to separate from the likes of them at this stage. You still need identification for both authorities when travelling between the two whether by boat or plane,i think you are over stating the importance of the CTA, you had an almost similar set up with the EU,ie freedom of movement within Europe until you didn't want it and voted to do away with it. |
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Its interesting that they have decided to remain in the CTA agreement which precludes them from joining Schengen
Its only southern Ireland and Cyprus that are not in Schengen out of the EU countries English is the international language of business and the Irish Government have gone out of their way to court the big multi nationals with their low business taxes |
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6. Accessing social housing support in the CTA
If you are a British or Irish citizen residing in the other state you have the right to access social housing, including supported housing and homeless assistance, on the same basis as citizens of that state. Both governments have committed to taking steps to ensure that this will continue. 7. Voting rights in the CTA If you are a British or Irish citizen living in the other state you are entitled to register to vote with the relevant authorities for local and national parliamentary elections in that state on the same basis as citizens of that state. Upon reaching voting age, you are entitled to vote in those elections on the same basis as citizens of that state. Both governments have committed to ensuring that these arrangements will continue. |
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Oh yes it appears the Irish despise capitalism and low taxes, aside from the type that benefits them.
Supporting the CTA if you're Irish is incredibly hypocritical it seems to me. But that is nothing new. I can't believe that it never gets discussed in political discourse, the level of leeway we still give the Irish. Especially after colluding with the EU to try and collapse Brexit. |
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@ no 6, i think that was written many decades ago in a totally different scenario, good luck and heavens forbid you needed social housing or homeless help because i doubt they would be able to do a lot for you in BOTH countries.
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4. Accessing social security benefits in the CTA
If you are a British or Irish citizen residing or working in the other’s state, working in both states or working across the border you are subject to only one state’s social security legislation at a time. You can access social security benefits and entitlements, including pensions, from whichever state you are subject to the social security legislation of, regardless of where you are living. When working in the CTA, you pay into only one state’s social security scheme at a time and are entitled, when in the other state, to the same social security rights, and are subject to the same obligations, as citizens of that state. You also have the right to access social security benefits on the same basis as citizens of the state you are in. The UK and Irish governments have concluded a bilateral agreement to ensure that these rights will continue to be protected. |