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By:
jollyswagman
When: 07 Apr 24 15:53
https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31793349/tv-licence-evasion?post_id=562965287#562965287#flvWelcomeHeader

a thread about tv licence fee avoidance, something cider is quite proud of.

Cider • February 23, 2023 7:46 PM GMT
Technically I am meant to buy the licence. They are free to try and come after me.



but but but Cry
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 07 Apr 24 16:18
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/02/29/rayner/
.

Perfect summing up. Agree with every word.

So how can she have paid nothing in Capital Gains Tax ?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 07 Apr 24 16:36
It looks like jollyswigger has come on simply to attack Cider.

He's gets very angry at people who don’t agree with him does jollyswigger.
By:
Foinavon
When: 07 Apr 24 16:55
She should have held her hands up by now and admitted she made a mistake but she's not very bright.

The amusing thing about this thread, Dr, is all the lefties desperately posting whataboutery as if that will make any difference.
By:
Cider
When: 07 Apr 24 17:12
jolly (oh the irony) is the only forumite I have blocked. The guy is simply unhinged.
By:
impossible123
When: 07 Apr 24 18:58
Mr Corbyn has got away with doing nothing, and saying nothing except playing to his audience. Hie reward is a colossal pension pot of over £1m, plus at least a similar amount in salaries as a career politician; the freebies eg free food, free drinks, free accommodation and free taxis at functions equate to another significant amount definitively more than that of what an average socialist Labour supporter could earn in his/own lifetime.

This is akin to someone playing the social system eg living off the state, but with luxury.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Apr 24 12:01
jolly (oh the irony) is the only forumite I have blocked.

I've got several blocked.

I blocked edy yesterday for blatant trolling, which I announced on a thread with the evidence there for all to see.

The thread was taken down shortly after. Which I'm sure was merely a coincidence.
By:
edy
When: 08 Apr 24 13:43
I am sure your audience would love a full recapture, Crippen.
By:
edy
When: 08 Apr 24 13:49
Oh blimey, I happen to still have the thread opened in a tab. Would you love a documentation, Crippen?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Apr 24 14:27
Ah, peace at last.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 08 Apr 24 14:40
I understand AR has offered 15 years of tax info.... if Rishi will do the same!

Wonder why the Tories have not taken up this offer?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Apr 24 14:48
Why should Rishi do that, he isn't under investigation by the police.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 08 Apr 24 14:49
Is Rayner?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 08 Apr 24 17:37
Better this rumbles on into the election - drag Sir Keir into the mess as well.

She's had a couple of months to knock this on the head. The cover up is now the issue.

The MOS won't just go away - they'll keep poking the wasps' nest.
By:
saddo
When: 08 Apr 24 18:48
I suspect Starmer may be pleased, she hasn't been on the media for weeks.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 08 Apr 24 19:26
Labour seem pretty silly accusing the Tories of stuff like this when their main attack dog is guilty of it herself.

She called the Tories scum for their dealings. So if the cap fits…...
By:
Charlie
When: 08 Apr 24 20:16
Labour can do whatever they want until the next GE and it wont change the fact that the Tories get wiped out. If they get 100 seats I'd be surprised.
By:
edy
When: 08 Apr 24 21:10
This is still my favourite moment of Crippen seeing through it regarding Russia and Putin all by himself with lots of super independent thought.

Dr Crippen • March 8, 2018 8:50 PM GMT
Does any of it matter?
They weren't British citizens were they?
Might be that the EU poisoned them in an effort to stir it up, or some other power.

They've all got it in for Putin after he kicked the Rothschilds out of Russia.

That's what all the mud slinging against Putin is about.

big lol.


https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/30994201/the-russians-are-at-it-again

edy • December 8, 2023 9:19 PM GMT
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/apr/20/facebook-posts/putin-did-not-nationalize-russian-central-bank-and/

Russia’s ongoing attack on Ukraine has given new life to a false claim first shared on social media in 2018.

The Facebook post from March 14, 2018, shows a portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin seated in a chair, along with a caption that reads, "Just in case you’re wondering why they hate him." Text in the image credits Putin with a few things, including that he "ended the Rothschild's control over Russia by nationalizing the Russian centralized bank."
By:
edy
When: 08 Apr 24 21:41
Sorry, wrong thread.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 09 Apr 24 08:41
wow, doc an antisemite. Who could have possibly guessed?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 09 Apr 24 14:22
"Labour to clamp down on tax dodgers " bellows Rachel Reeves.

Maybe they start with their own deputy leader ?

All hypocrites - the rules apply to everybody else, but not their elite apparently.
By:
Escapee
When: 09 Apr 24 16:47
Less than a year ago, the then chancellor Zahawi paid £3.7million tax owed from evasion, plus 30% penalty of £1.1milliom plus interest bringing the total to over £5million.

Rayner possibly owes £1,500, up to £3,000 max (There is still no proof that she owes anything)

Look at the boats
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 09 Apr 24 16:59
It's still legal to call the tories scum.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 09 Apr 24 17:42
This isn't about 3k in tax.  It's about her point blank refusal to be accountable - whilst demanding many others are.

She apparently has the proof that she owes nothing but refuses to reveal it ?  Why is this - its an incredulous position ?

Her position is untenable.
By:
Escapee
When: 09 Apr 24 17:51
Cameron refused to release his tax returns or explain how he circumvented money laundering laws when he got caught with £120 MILLION in panama.


Look at the boats
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 09 Apr 24 18:23
Tax experts have been all over the numbers.

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/02/29/rayner/
.

There are only three ways she can "prove" she owes no tax.

1/ AR and her husband nominated AR's house as their principal private residence , in writing to HMRC within two years of their marriage, ie by 2012. (Extremely unlikely but not impossible - but obviously she hasn't done this  or she would have told us - the whole tax issue disappears)

2/ She spent somewhere between 15K and 23K on property improvements on the ex council house - this doesn't include repairs and running costs but expenditure on extensions / conservatories etc. There is zero evidence of any of this. (If she has then why not tell us ? )

3/ The ex council house was the family home based on the facts from 2010 - ie the family spent the majority of their time living there following her marriage - not just her but the family. Her spending the odd night there would not make it the family home for tax purposes. It's clear the family lived in their other house.

(Ok she might have capital losses from earlier years rolling forward to absorb the gain on the house but again - why not tell us ? It's also strange that she has now offered up to HMRC the legal explanations if they want to see them . Why would she say this now ? HMRC should have been given this information when she submitted her 2015 tax return , not 9 years later. It appears she didn't declare the gain properly back then - she assumed it was exempt under the  private residence exemptions - Well Angela it wasn't !!)

So come on then Angela which exemption are you claiming ? - How can you possibly owe nothing as your 'legal advice' indicates ?

Not sure what the boats , David Cameron , Rishi or indeed anybody else  have to do with AR's failed tax planning.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 09 Apr 24 18:27
Oh and once you have cleared up the capital gains tax issues , then we can move onto Electoral Register misstatements and possible underpayments of Council Tax.

What a mess for the Shadow Deputy PM in an election year.
By:
Escapee
When: 09 Apr 24 18:34
why are you only campaigning about Rayner?


If your outrage is against MP tax fraudsters your outrage would be against all the tax fraudsters in Parliament

Is you outrage only against Rayner because she didn't go to eaton?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 09 Apr 24 18:44
Because the evidence available to me in AR's case is clear and overwhelming, and I don't like hypocrisy.

Also I'm not going to get stuck into someone when all I have to go on is gossip, hearsay and innuendo.
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Apr 24 01:13
Labour Targeting TAX DODGERS Laugh
By:
Escapee
When: 10 Apr 24 01:27

Because the evidence available to me in AR's case is clear and overwhelming, and I don't like hypocrisy.

Also I'm not going to get stuck into someone when all I have to go on is gossip, hearsay and innuendo.


worthy reasons JTG, but not very convincing given the last 4 years, let alone the last 15 years of MP corruption scandals with much more evidence than a single birth certificate.

I look forward to your next campaign for honest MPs. My guess is, you're going to look the other way if it's a tory

By:
saddo
When: 10 Apr 24 10:16
So it's ok for a deputy leader of a Labour Government to be corrupt because more Tories are corrupt, lmao.
By:
Escapee
When: 10 Apr 24 10:42

So it's ok for a deputy leader of a Labour Government to be corrupt because more Tories are corrupt, lmao.


isn't that what all the Trump supporters on here are saying?

"It's ok for Trump to be president again because joe & hillary ran a pedo ring out of a pizza takeaway"


btw, I ain't saying either of those.

I'm clearly saying "the only evidence against Rayner is a child's birth certificate, that's not enough to prove tax fraud".


Then I thought I'd mention cameron's £120 million fraud, and zahawis £5million fraud.
And haven't yet mentioned Boris being sacked twice for fraud.
As examples of unambiguous clearly documented fraud where the Rayner haters clearly keep quiet and look the other way.

By:
Charlie
When: 10 Apr 24 18:32
Johnny The Guesser • April 9, 2024 6:44 PM BST
Because the evidence available to me in AR's case is clear and overwhelming, and I don't like hypocrisy.


You have no evidence you only have speculation and your wish for her to be found guilty.
By:
nineteen points
When: 10 Apr 24 19:05
Lets get full disclosure on mr wraggs current problem.i am hearing there is a lot more to this story pardon the pun but a lot of arzes are twitching high up in toryland.still not up there with miss rayners heinous crimes though
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 10 Apr 24 19:20
A supposedly grassroots ‘tax protest’ against Labour party Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, which hit the headlines on Wednesday, was organised and conducted by Conservative party politicians, one of the organisers has admitted to Byline Times.

The Daily Express published video from the protest in Yarm, North Yorkshire, showing what were described as “activists” donning caps, glasses and yellow vests with the slogan “tax inspector”.

The report refers to what are described as “local sources” suggesting that Rayner was “forced to sneak out the back door of the Tomahawk bar to avoid being photographed with the protestors on the way out.”

“Walking down Yarm highstreet, Ms Rayner was seen hiding under an umbrella as activists wearing ‘Tax inspector’ high-vis vests unveiled a giant banner reading: “Angela Rayner: Tax dodger?” the paper reported.

The Express did not reveal who the protesters, three of whom could be seen wearing caps, glasses and a hood were, or which campaign they representedt.

However, Byline Times has identified one of the protesters as local Conservative Councillor for Yarm, John Coulson.




Tory stunts [sic]
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 12 Apr 24 19:19
The Growler says she will step down if she has committed a criminal offence.

Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner says she will step down if she is found to have broken the law.

In a statement, she said she was "completely confident I've followed the rules at all times".

She has been accused of giving false information about her main residence in a row about who lived in her former council house.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) are investigating whether any crimes have been committed.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 24 19:26

Apr 12, 2024 -- 7:19PM, Shrewd_dude wrote:


The Growler says she will step down if she has committed a criminal offence.Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner says she will step down if she is found to have broken the law.In a statement, she said she was "completely confident I've followed the rules at all times".She has been accused of giving false information about her main residence in a row about who lived in her former council house.Greater Manchester Police (GMP) are investigating whether any crimes have been committed.


An honourable thing to do unlike anyone in the Tories who would rather try and lie their way out of things.

By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 12 Apr 24 19:33
I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that it is honorable that a person who has been found to have committed a crime of dishonesty is honorable but I suppose it seems to be a reocurring theme for certain people on this thread to benchmark their view of honour based on people they think are dishonorable, dishonest ****s.
By:
Charlie
When: 12 Apr 24 19:37

Apr 12, 2024 -- 7:33PM, Shrewd_dude wrote:


I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that it is honorable that a person who has been found to have committed a crime of dishonesty is honorable but I suppose it seems to be a reocurring theme for certain people on this thread to benchmark their view of honour based on people they think are dishonorable, dishonest ****s.


She hasn't been found guilty of anything.

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