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By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 29 Mar 24 08:30
What does she not want us to know ?

I'll answer my own question.

She has either entered into a  tax avoidance election with her husband - She could have made this tax avoidance election  within two years of her marriage. (All perfectly legal if done properly)

She has continued to claim that she was actually living in the ex council house after her marriage.

Why would she want to hide either of the above from the people that pay her salary ?
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 08:56
Deputy leader Angela Rayner said Zahawi's position is now "untenable" and that he should be dismissed from the Cabinet.

Ms Rayner said on Friday: "Rishi Sunak promised a government of integrity, professionalism, and accountability but instead he's propping up a motley crew of scandal-ridden ministers.

"Nadhim Zahawi's story doesn't add up. The position of the man who was until recently in charge of the UK's tax system and who this prime minister appointed Conservative Party chair is now untenable.

"It's time for Rishi Sunak to put his money where his mouth is and dismiss Nadhim Zahawi from his Cabinet."
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 08:58
I reckon she has recently paid the correct amount of tax after taking expert advice.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:00
JTG

I've not really followed this story, I'm not really someone for the twatter back holes. Has anyone queried the CT position on the apparent vacant property before it was disposed?
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:03
Council Tax
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:08
The Labour mob, and foghorn Rayner herself determined that Zahawi was guilty of wrongdoing, even though his affairs were private. And needed to be cancelled. They aren't so hot on it when looking in a mirror it appears.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:13
“It’s the same Rishi Sunak whose family avoided paying tax in this country before he put up taxes on everyone else. With his record – and after Liz Truss comprehensively beat him over the summer – it’s no wonder he is dodging scrutiny,” Rayner added.

Laugh
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 09:22
Rayner and Zahawi -

There's a big difference between a politician not really understanding CGT law and pocketing £10k and a politician hiring an accounting firm to overly aggressively minimise their tax and pocketing £Xm while threatening to take people to court.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 09:23
Having said that I think Rayner needs to come clean and admit her mistake.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:28
It's not really about Zahawi's own tax affairs, it's the usual hypocrisy. She claimed Sunak was dodging scrutiny but she's not so keen on exposing her own personal affairs now they are under the spotlight.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 09:30
It's usually a good idea to avoid demanding things of other people that you wouldn't do yourself. It can end up biting you in the bum.
By:
saddo
When: 29 Mar 24 10:52
SirNorbertClarke 29 Mar 24 08:23 
Having said that I think Rayner needs to come clean and admit her mistake.

..................

It wasn't a mistake, she robbed a few quid as many people do. But many people will not be deputy leader of a Government. The yes butery from the Tory haters on this episode of a corrupt politician is unsurprising.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 29 Mar 24 11:20
Wow. So many people apparently know exactly what happened. No need to disclose anything is there. Just direct the tax man to the betfair forum.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:08
Is there any real Evidence to suggest Rayner has common any offence?

Does anyone know her personal circumstances?

Do they know gif sure she did not move back into the property or have her mail sent to the property or even elect it as her Principal Primary Residence?

Why are the Po Po wasting time on this while people are being stabbed in our streets.

What next shall we ask for plumbers and taxi’s drivers to publish their full tax returns and bank statements?
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:10
Geoffrey Donaldson resigns

Did he have a Council House?
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 14:11
Hardly surprising that a foghorn socialist who has made her living and reputation out of moaning about capitalists, creaming a fat profit off of trading social housing stock is attracting attention. It's rank hypocrisy, but standard fayre for champagne socialists. The icing on the cake is that it looks very likely to be fiddled, and as I say it would be very interesting to see how the CT was handled in the flipped property.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:17
Yup I heard Rayner had out £29 million in trust gif her and her kids from tax payer money on a dodgy PPE contract…… of no that’s right it was the Conservative Peer Michelle Mone
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 14:23
Cider I agree with you Rayner is a hypocrite.

But I'm surprised you don't make remotely the same fuss of Tory corruption. If Rayner had sold a knighthood for £5m I bet you'd be foaming at the mouth
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:24
Angela Rayner has thrown down the gauntlet to prime minister Rishi Sunak, challenging him and two of his Conservative colleagues to publish their tax records if they want hers.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:25
She refused to disclose advice she received amid claims she may have avoided capital gains tax on the 2015 sale of her council house.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:27
The Labour deputy leader taunted her Tory critics, stressing that she has “done nothing wrong”, and saying: “If you show me yours, I will show you mine.”
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 14:28
If Starmer was entirely serious about wanting to stamp out corruption in Parliament he could start by making it mandatory that all Labour MPs and their partners publish their tax returns.

Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:28
Naming Mr Sunak, the chancellor Jeremy Hunt and Tory deputy chair James Daly, Ms Rayner said: “If [they] all want to say ‘I’ll give you the last 15 years of my tax details’, I’m happy to disclose all of mine as well at the same time.”
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:29
Wot you say Johnny boy and cider

Full disclosure?
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 14:38
I expect this type of behaviour from all these public life types, Norbert. Rayner has spent years pontificating about the personal tax affairs of other politicians, demanding disclosure. Now the boot is on the other foot, she's not so keen.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 14:47
I work in finance and I also apply certain techniques to maximise funds, minimise liabilities in my personal life. Some of them would/could be considered grey areas. For example I didn't do salaried work for a while (gambling FT), so had nothing going through paye for over a year. I returned to salaried work and due to the unpaid year I was able to claim working tax credit for a year. In of itself I would actually expect any normal person to take that approach (use the system to their best advantage, without cheating the rules). But I'm not standing at the despatch box in the HoC, demanding heads on a spike when I'm aware I have gamed the system myself.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 14:50
In fact, the regulars will know I often pass workarounds on. If it's true that she lied about what her primary residency was (which seems overwhelmingly likely from what I have read), that's not a workaround, it's fraud.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Mar 24 14:54
How T F did you manage to claim any benefits?

I could not claim benefits
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 14:56
WTC was based on the previous tax year's earnings. I was gambling FT so the previous year my earnings were nil. It was fifty odd quid a week for a year. Not life changing, but gift horse and all that!
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Mar 24 15:11
A property does not have to be your main home ,
to be classed as your primary residency
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 29 Mar 24 16:58
For capital gains tax it does , (unless you have made an appropriate election).
By:
Escapee
When: 29 Mar 24 17:36

If it's true that she lied about what her primary residency was (which seems overwhelmingly likely from what I have read), that's not a workaround, it's fraud.


You're a sensible intelligent chap Cider

All I've found out is that she put down her husbands address on one of her children's birth certificates.
Have you found out anything more than this?

Please share what you know as I'm reasonably sure you would not think a child's birth certificate alone enough evidence to call her a tax fraud.

many thanks in advance.

By:
lfc1971
When: 29 Mar 24 17:41
You don’t have to make an election and you don’t have to be living in the property
The rational for CGT property tax is that it is a business tax intended for people in the property business
Not a situation such as Ms Rayner
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 17:50
In what world would you use an address for a newborn that isn't where you're living? The neighbours stated that they didn't see her for years.

This is just what happens to normal people. A relationship develops, they decide to move in together but they can't live in two places obviously. There's no evidence the family lived in her old house, so they lived in the new partner's house, ie they settled in together as a family. I'm assuming she could not let the property or sell it due to the restrictions on purchasing discounted social housing. So waited it out and sold it when it was no longer her domestic home. As stated, it seems overwhelmingly likely that was the broad sequence of events.

I've not looked into it, I don't actually know what the process is if you've purchased via RTB and then need to move out before the set waiting time has expired. I assume it needs to be handed back to the LA in some way? Or any capital gain does?
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 18:07
Cider, what is wrong with putting the biological father's address on a birth certificate?

The neighbours testimony is hearsay.

I live between my wife's apartment and my old house 400m down the road, It's not that unusual.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Mar 24 18:12
How many newborns live in a different address to the new mum? don't worry, that's rhetorical as we already know the answer. There's two chances with the neighbours, they are all rabid Tories and making it up, or they are telling the truth. So yes it's overwhelmingly likely she wasn't living there.
By:
Escapee
When: 29 Mar 24 18:26
What is the definition of "primary residence" for tax form purposes?
By:
impossible123
When: 29 Mar 24 19:23
There is a rule for politicians and a rule for joe public and harriet. I still remember a Tory MP (loaded) who helped a friend to buy his council house in return for a percentage of the profit post selling after the lock-in period of purchase. This was not illegal, but not in the spirit of house ownership which was synonymous in the privatisation era of Mrs Thatcher.

Then again, a quick profit is never to be forgone or sneezed at.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Mar 24 20:06
How many newborns live in a different address to the new mum? don't worry, that's rhetorical as we already know the answer.

The father or one of his family might have registered the birth.

Other option with the neighbours... they were asked leading questions by someone from the right-wing press. As per normal.
By:
Charlie
When: 29 Mar 24 21:31
This is a very desperate and poor attempt by the Tories to try and dig some some dirt. If they want dirt they really should look closer to home and the donations they gladly receive.
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