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By:
DixieDean60
When: 03 Sep 25 18:59
WD - the conveyancing solicitor i used several years ago is top notch and knows SDLT rules backwards. As any good conveyancer should.

Of course if Ange The Flange didn't present the full details regarding ownership of her old property to the solicitor who gave her the wrong advice, then she is to blame for then paying the incorrect tax on her recent purchase.

I wonder what criteria was used for her acquiring the mortgage on her new property ? If she has to resign then presumably a big pay cut is on the cards.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 03 Sep 25 19:01
She is guilty of hypocrisy and there was fire.  I was right.

To be guilty of a crime you first have to establish the facts - these became clear today.


Interesting that her issued statement makes no mention of "currently considering legal action against her original SDLT advisers "  - Why not include that if she thinks she has really been badly advised ?
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Sep 25 19:53
Attacking the mother of a disabled child because her conveyancing lawyer gave her duff advice is not a good look.

Badenoch, The Daily Mail and the Telegraph should hang their heads in shame.
By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 19:57
As a mother of a disabled child she has consistently dished out abuse to her political opponents. Don't give it if you can't take it.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 03 Sep 25 20:18
Just because she is deputy PM and housing minister doesnt mean she is capable of understanding tax law. Anyone who has seen her in recent years must be aware she is not exactly bright. I dont suppose she has deliberately mislead anyone given she may not have understood the advice she was given by her lawyers.
By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 20:31
Frankie's excuse was poor advice. He was still bankrupted by the state. And he isn't even in charge of the country's housing policies.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Sep 25 20:33

As a mother of a disabled child she has consistently dished out abuse to her political opponents. Don't give it if you can't take it.


She most certainly can take it.

Questions need to be asked about Badenoch's judgement.

All over the country there are disabled people and parent's of disabled children. Absolutely none of them will be impressed.

By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 20:34
For me the chances that she didn't know she was on shaky ground are 999/1. She probably thought, (or was told) she could get away with it.
By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 20:37
Such a bizarre view really, I doubt many of those parent's (sic), have so much access to property that they have to create a trust fund to avoid taxes.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 03 Sep 25 20:39
Dotchinite - if it was the Tory Deputy PM or Housing Minister in this pickle then Ms Rayner along with her Labour colleagues would be shouting for them to resign.


What's good for the goose etc etc
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 03 Sep 25 20:50
yes but they wouldn't!
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Sep 25 21:27

Such a bizarre view really, I doubt many of those parent's (sic), have so much access to property that they have to create a trust fund to avoid taxes


Oh dear. You don''t know do you?

The child is so disabled that he/she was awarded substantial damages and the trust is a pretty standard arrangement set up by the courts to stop parents spending the damages on themselves.

It's not a tax avoidance scheme.

By:
Dotchinite
When: 03 Sep 25 21:39
Yes but if for example the Tory housing minister was an ex business type it would be clear that he understood the rules and knew he was doing wrong. I well believe Rayner didnt know what the laws were given that she appears to be barely literate. Give her the benefit of the doubt and some better advisors.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 03 Sep 25 21:58
I'm presuming you're on the wind up Dotchinite ?

You are basically saying that the Labour Housing Minister should not need to be aware of rules governing the housing market whereas the Tory one should !

I know that there is plenty of "two tiering" with this Labour administration but surely it should not be extended to the competency required of Cabinet Ministers.
And Ms Rayner is certainly not "barely literate" imo, but if she is as you describe then she has no business being anywhere near such an important Cabinet role.
By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 22:06
Oh dear. You don''t know do you?

The child is so disabled that he/she was awarded substantial damages and the trust is a pretty standard arrangement set up by the courts to stop parents spending the damages on themselves.

It's not a tax avoidance scheme.


That doesn't explain why the property is in the trust.

Why would someone purchase a property on the south coast when they have a free luxury apartment in the most desirable part of London, and also have work up north where their disabled child also lives? It makes no sense at all, especially on her salary.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 03 Sep 25 22:08
Is her son Aware of Ange investing his dosh in seaside properties ?

or does she have POA over the Fund ?
By:
Cider
When: 03 Sep 25 22:08
She's fukked anyway, it would be better for anyone who doesn't abide this government for her to stick around in her multiple portfolios.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 03 Sep 25 22:15
Im not saying that at all Dixie. Im saying if she was someone with a long career in business I wouldnt believe she didnt know the rules but given her obvious limitations id give her the benefit of the doubt. Whether soneone so limited should be in Govt is another issue but looking at both the Cabinet and the opposition its hard to find even one moderately impressive figure.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 03 Sep 25 22:23
The comp was to pay for her sons Care , how can she possibly be investing that Money in property , Insanity

How can that possibly be Legal ? What if ,its a Big if there was a Crash in the property market , the sons Money lost

What happens then , i have never heard the like

I remind you Starmer has backed this women to the Hilt
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 03 Sep 25 22:30
Peterborough's Labour Council leader Dennis Jones Sounds a nice man ,Shocking if what he said is true

What an outfit this mob are
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 03 Sep 25 22:32
Shocking if what he has been accused of saying is true


there is not a day Goes By  , This Party is an Utter Disaster
By:
DixieDean60
When: 03 Sep 25 22:33
A long career in business would be unlikely to give you any more knowledge of SDLT. A Conveyancer or Estate Agent might but why should somebody who had a previous career say in Hedge Funds, Insurance etc have knowledge of it ?


The current crop of politicians are the worst in living memory and that's saying something !
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 03 Sep 25 23:26
Lest we forget

Jenrick’s decision on Desmond-backed development overturned
19 NOVEMBER 2021 BY JONATHAN KNOTT
The government has overturned its previous decision to grant planning permission for a controversial scheme backed by the Conservative party donor Richard Desmond to build 1,524 homes in Tower Hamlets.

Tower Hamlets LBC had originally refused permission for the site of the former Westferry Printworks on the Isle of Dogs, and following an appeal, the planning inspector then advised the then communities secretary Robert Jenrick not to grant permission.

Despite this, Mr Jenrick granted permission in January 2020. It later emerged that the communities secretary had sat next to Mr Desmond at a fundraising dinner a few months previously, and that Mr Desmond made a £12,000 donation to the Conservatives weeks after the approval.

Tower Hamlets challenged the decision, but this was quashed by the High Court in May last year. However, the government has since reviewed the matter again, and housing minister Eddie Hughes yesterday overturned the previous decision on behalf of the communities secretary.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Sep 25 23:30

That doesn't explain why the property is in the trust.


Try reading Rayner's statement.

By:
Pokermonster
When: 04 Sep 25 00:33
It really should be a given that Angela Rayner is gone within days, but we’re talking about a government who has persisted with David Lammy as Foreign Secretary and Rachel Reeves as Chancellor of the Exchequer so anything is possible.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 04 Sep 25 03:12
I am no expert on Disability Benefits , but what Financial Advantage would be gained by moving the Lads Money , I presume he gets full time Care , Although all I have heard is that he is Blind

So not sure about that , is his Council tax Covered , Or Does she pay it ? Although how Often she is Actually with him is anyones Guess , Between her DPM Duties and Seafront escapades Does she actually see

him ?

I dont want to bring her lad into it , Sadly she has , I know enough About Disabilities in Families but not Benefits , My mo in law gets Attendance Allowance ,

Everything else is paid , She has her Husbands small Pension and State Pension .

BTW before anyone Mentions I am targetting her and her disabled  Lad , Lets Remember this Government Put the Boot straight in to the Disabled of this Country ..

Starmer has backed Rayner to the HILT  , 40 Large tax Avoidance he seems to think is Fine , lets see what his thoughts are on this carry on ?

Loop hole Lizzie could  well bring Him and his Government Down

I see crocodile tears , but I smell something Else
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 04 Sep 25 03:19
Nob there are Benefit payments involved here and an Awful lot of money Involved with them ,How much money was the Lad Awarded is the Mumber 1 Question , Not saying Nowt as is ,

but she is all for Means tested Benefits and pensions , I know that much ...

If any of this Untoward , Her and Starmer are History  IMVHO

Be Like Vance on Food Stamps
By:
RacingCert
When: 04 Sep 25 07:13
‘It’s complicated’ they say.
Why would anyone expect a government minister to deal with something that is complicated?
My guess is the Brighton flat will be up for sale again soon or she’ll end up bankrupt.
By:
irishone
When: 04 Sep 25 07:22
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By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 04 Sep 25 07:43
Why isn't she suing the lawyers who gave her the incorrect advice ?

Maybe because she didn't supply them with the full facts  ?

She is still being conservative with the truth.
By:
RacingCert
When: 04 Sep 25 08:01
Nice pun.
By:
dustybin
When: 04 Sep 25 08:02
Labour are the Temu Government, an absolute joke top to bottom.
Got an email this morning from the Petitions Committee in response to their review of the Governments response to Rupert Lowe’s demands that more data needs collecting in the "Mandatory collection and publication of certain child sexual offender data” petition.
They concluded the government hasn’t sufficiently addressed the issue and they need to try again.

It really isn’t a surprise, they are doing the least they possibly can get away with, and only moving on anything when pushed.

Talking of being pushed, I see the petition calling for an early election (just 1 year in ffs) is somewhere around the million mark.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 04 Sep 25 08:03
This thread is full of uninformed poison posted by sad old men.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 04 Sep 25 08:26
Being conservative with the truth is more like an oxymoron than a pun.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 04 Sep 25 08:54
Michael Gove defended Zahawi on BBC Radio 4 on Thursday, saying: “My firm understanding is HMRC have no quibble with Nadhim. He’s paid everything that he should, and, people paying their taxes, that’s not a story – people not paying their taxes, yeah that is a problem.”
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 04 Sep 25 08:56
Krazi Kwarteng the Chancellor of Liz the Lettuce

In reference to the total amount paid to HMRC, the spokesperson said: “Nadhim Zahawi does not recognise this amount … As he has previously stated, his taxes are properly declared and paid in the UK.”

If Zahawi has paid a penalty, it would be hugely embarrassing,given his previous role as chancellor in charge of the UK’s tax system.

He has also been a member of a government that has made great efforts to ensure tax is paid in full and on time.

Labour said Zahawi should quit because his story “doesn’t add up”.
By:
irishone
When: 04 Sep 25 09:00
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By:
saddo
When: 04 Sep 25 09:22
Dotchinite 03 Sep 25 21:39 
I well believe Rayner didnt know what the laws were given that she appears to be barely literate. Give her the benefit of the doubt and some better advisors.

.........................
Laugh

There was talk of the barely literate person usurping Starmer and
being PM, up until a few days ago. That bothers me more than the 40k tbh.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 04 Sep 25 09:39
Let’s bring back Liz the Lettuce and Krazi Kwarteng
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 04 Sep 25 09:40
Educated fools are better

Lets doff our caps and tug our forelocks
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