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28 Mar 24
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..on the sale of her former council house ?
Simple - it's one sheet of paper.
She says it's all above board - well what's the problem then ?
The only conclusion that we can reach is that she has something to hide.
Simple - it's one sheet of paper.
She says it's all above board - well what's the problem then ?
The only conclusion that we can reach is that she has something to hide.
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Just to wee on the smear campaign
 , here's a post I made on the other thread on the same topicAccusation is something along the lines of: She bought her council house (25% discount), a few years later she gets married and has a couple of kids, on one of the birth certificates, she gives her husbands address. A few years after that she sells her council house and on the forms relating to that, she declares it has been her primary residence. Tory MP digging for dirt on her find this and claim it is proof of fraud and report it to Police, Police disagree it is proof of fraud and decline to take action. Tory MP gets enraged and kicks up such a fuss that the Police Chief says he will reopen the case and reinvestigate. It's very likely that the 2nd investigation will find as the first did, that there is not enough evidence for a prosecution. On a footnote, the sale of her entire house would not cover a third of the cost Boris's (Fraudulently funded) hall wallpaper.Crazy Footnote 2, They were digging for dirt, and digging deep enough to find this, then it's looking good for Angie as this is pretty much zero dirt. Not many MP's will be this clean given the same level of digging. |
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and this one
Given a recent case of Mrs PM filling in tax forms for 10 years declaring her primary residence is not in the UK despite living here for 10 years and no doubt filling in other non-tax forms which reflect a contrary picture. I think the chances of a prosecution in this case are zero. I wonder if Mrs PM's children were born in UK, and what address she put down on the birth certificate. |
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Very funny
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The position of other tax payers is totally irrelevant.
If a person or couple own two houses that are used as your principal private residence (PPR) then an election can be made as to which is your exempt PPR for tax purposes. If no election is made then the PPR is decided by the facts - ie where did you actually live ? ie you can't back fit your choice to suit your tax position. You appear to be confused between my post concerning the Capital Gains Tax position and falsely declaring where you live for electoral roll purposes, which is an offence. |
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is that gurgling hissing sound you hear, the sound of you going "But, but, but" whilst someone wee's on your faux outrage smear campaign
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She won't publish because it will then become clear to everybody the date she stopped claiming the ex council tax was her private residence for tax purposes , which no doubt will long after the actual date she effectively began living at her new husband's property.
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Can you imagine how eff'd the tory MP is to spend a large enough chunk of money on researcher/private eyes to dig up dirt and all they come up with is a single discrepancy on a child's birth certificate.
This is the only dirt they found , tories are fuming |
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My point has nothing to do with a child's birth certificate as I pointed out to you a few minutes ago. This is about declaring your taxes correctly.
We are expected to declare our taxes correctly. Surely we can expect the Shadow Deputy Prime Minister to do the same ? If there is nothing to see , then publish the capital tax computation prepared by her advisors. It's simple. The tax question disappears. Why won't she do this ? |
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Is this the house which the tories got the police to investigate her fraud, and then they did and, after going through everything, decided no offence had been committed? That house or is there another one?
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Good to see such in depth scrutiny. Perhaps Johnny might explain how Esther McVey and her husband Phillip Davies are getting away with screwing the tax payer legally.
Last year McVey wrote in the Daily Mail that she did not “want you to see a single penny of your hard-earned cash wasted on unnecessary public spending”. |
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She purchased a house in January 2007 and sold in 20015 making £48,500. No problem at all so far . Gains on your home are tax free - we all know that.
BUT - It appeared she may well have moved out in 2010 when she married. So for 5 of the 8 years of ownership it may well have not been her 'tax free' home , and capital gains tax may be due for this period. The starting point is Gain £48,500 - exempt as lived in 3/8 , so chargeable 5/8 = £30,312. (Now there are expenses and other exemptions that can be claimed that could reduce the tax payable to nil , but she won't tell us what she has claimed ) so on the basic information in the public domain there is a tax question to answer. So - publish the computation that would have accompanied your tax return to HMRC showing why there is no tax due. This computation would show the date up to which the tax payer is claiming the property was still her private residence along with any other expenses or exemptions claimed. |
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I've got my hands full with Angela Rayner right now , Esther McVey can wait.
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Why the need to publish? Police have investigated and said it was above board. Haven't they?
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Jeremy hunt forgot he had 7 flats, Bliar had some scandal.
They are all fiddling top expenses and claiming rent whilst living next to something a family member let's out. I hope she above board, but it's like Starmer's working beer whilst Johnson oversaw a party culture whilst we couldnt attend funerals of loved ones nor visit them as they died. |
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I mean, if you know something the police don't then can I suggest you get on to them rather than a betting forum. If you don't, may I ask why you think you know more than the police who did actually investigate her finances.
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The police haven't looked at the tax position they have looked at a potential miss declaration for electoral roll purposes.
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Confused and ill informed PP - work out want is going on before getting involved. You look silly , yet again.
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I was asking questions wasn't I?
So are you saying she should release her finances to the public, rather than just have the police investigate? |
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The police are not investigation her finances - where do you get that from ? The police are looking that her declaration for electoral roll purposes.
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Ok that then. Who do you want her to release whatever it is you want her release to?
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Disclose full details on the sale of her council house showing why she doesn't owe any Capital Tax Gains ? It would be one sheet of paper and could be done in seconds.
The only way there can be no tax due is if she spent chunks on property improvements or claimed she was still living there beyond 2010. Why won't she tell us ? |
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Ok, but who to disclose to? The police? Is that enough?
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Us / the press.
She says her advisors have told her that no tax is due , so they must have the details of her claims. Tell us the date up to which you claimed the ex council house was your tax free principal private residence ? (It has to be after 2010 to reach a position of 'no tax' due ) It must be after 2010 or she would disclose - she doesn't want the electorate to know , so the press can then investigate whether the date to which she is claiming she lived there corresponds to the facts. It would also appear that she may have claimed she was living at one property for electoral roll purposes whilst claiming another property was her home for capital gains tax purposes. Which is it Angela ? She wants to hide the truth. |
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The evidence was posted at 10.18.
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But if she hasn't committed any offence why should she release personal information to all and sundry?
If you're so certain the truth is that she's hiding something, then you should share your info with the old bill imo. |
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How can she make a gain on a property of £48,500 and pay no tax , when the facts appear to indicate that she didn't live there for 5 of the 8 years she owned the property ?
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You answered that at 10.18.
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Now, it seems to me that either she committed an offence, in which case she should be punished, or she hasn't, in which case her personal affairs are none of your business.
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Because she is the Deputy Prime Minister and she appears she might be dodging her taxes.
She says everything is in order - fine - show us - make this thing go away. Easy. Why won't she do this ? - there must something to cover up. |
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Aren't you interested in how our Shadow Deputy Prime Minister made a gain of £48,500 on a property it appears she hadn't lived in for years and paid no tax ?
Whilst we are getting rinsed for dough from all angles ? |
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You'd rather spend millions determining who ate cake and bought wallpaper.
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I'm interested in the competent authorities finding that information out, not the Sunday Sport or steviebrexit999 on youtube. If the police say something's up then I'll listen.
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Before that point, it's just speculation
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Aren't you interested in how our Shadow Deputy Prime Minister made a gain of £48,500 on a property it appears she hadn't lived in for years and paid no tax ?
YES WE ARE INTERESTED. but where's your evidence? So far it's just you making stuff up, You're not going to get a prosecution based on your snowflake woke nonsense. why don't you just book a B&Q garden centre for a press conference, wave one of their catalogues about proclaiming it to be proof and bask in the shallow end of the gene pool applause that you seek. |
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Johnny, she was on the news last night and stated she is more than happy to help the police or hmrc if asked, she just doesn't want HER affairs open for all to see, can't say I blame her tbh.
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Her earnings are already a matter of public record. She will be a 40% tax payer.
The gain on the ex council house is a matter of public record - the £48,500 profit is not disputed. What she refuses to reveal is how she managed to pay no tax on such a gain ? She has two options as far as I can see it :- - Ride it out and hope it goes away - run the risk of the doubt about her tax integrity rumbling on into the election and maybe even Government. - Disclose the advice received. By refusing to disclose and hiding behind the "private" barrier she gives her detractors ammunition to fire at her. What does she not want us to know ? |