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By:
dave1357
When: 29 Sep 20 09:34
^^at least joe didn't have to pay someone to sit his exams for him.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 29 Sep 20 22:43
Meanwhile, The Don gets his THIRD!!! Nobel Peace Prize nom!!!!!
By:
timbuctooth
When: 29 Sep 20 23:52
Gitmo, is obama`s cell ready? hilary`s? brennan`s?

Ratcliffe declassifies documents showing hilary`s involvement in the russia hoax, and obama`s full knowledge of it

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-briefed-clinton-russia-vilify-trump-distract
By:
dave1357
When: 30 Sep 20 08:29
The only one going to jail is trump
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Sep 20 08:40
The big question is who is going to go to jail with him!
By:
cooperman
When: 30 Sep 20 08:48
Refused to condemn white supremacy and white nationalist militia's. That should win a lot of votes. Laugh

By:
dave1357
When: 30 Sep 20 08:54
yes can see that featuring in some of the adverts funded by the millions that biden is raising.
By:
cooperman
When: 30 Sep 20 12:56
At least nobody threw any cans of tuna at him. Apparently can be lethal.
By:
cooperman
When: 01 Oct 20 08:44
Apparently if you received the $600 payments from the Donald, they were taxable. If you received all of them you'll pay more in tax than Trump.
By:
Racingqueen
When: 01 Oct 20 21:30
https://twitter.com/TheFirstonTV/status/1311691179130580992

This is nuts. Hes condemned white supremacy numerous times. His spokesperson gives quotes even one from yesterday and hack wants him to come out again and issue one today Laugh

Meanwhile Joe Biden gives a eulogy of a former KKK grand wizard (Robert Byrd) and not a bean from the media. Hes made multiple more racial comments than Trump and hes the hero of minorities in the US?

LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Fatslogger
When: 01 Oct 20 21:37
Yeah, they definitely keep asking Trump about white supremacists because he’s consistently condemned them, clearly has no time for them and are just hoping he’ll accidentally get it wrong on the off chance.

Oh look, he got it wrong on the off chance. Again.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 21:43

Oct 1, 2020 -- 9:30PM, Racingqueen wrote:


https://twitter.com/TheFirstonTV/status/1311691179130580992This is nuts. Hes condemned white supremacy numerous times. His spokesperson gives quotes even one from yesterday and hack wants him to come out again and issue one today Meanwhile Joe Biden gives a eulogy of a former KKK grand wizard (Robert Byrd) and not a bean from the media. Hes made multiple more racial comments than Trump and hes the hero of minorities in the US?


Try watching a rerun of the debate. Look about an hour in and Trump instructing Proud Boys across the nation.

By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 21:44
Biden ahead 54-41 in first national poll conducted since debate.
By:
winningthought
When: 01 Oct 20 21:45
Who the hell are "Proud Boys"? I've never heard of them before and sound a little feminine tbh.
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 21:49
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/519111-rnc-trump-campaign-push-back-on-push-to-change-debate-rules

Be interesting to see how this plays out.  The moderator cutting mikes seems the obvious change, but the rules around exactly when this is done would have to be agreed.  Must be odds against that the three debates make the airwaves.
By:
winningthought
When: 01 Oct 20 21:50
OK they have wiki page.
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 21:51
^^yeah I thought they were a male stripper troupe.
By:
winningthought
When: 01 Oct 20 21:52
Association with Fred Perry clothing

Proud Boy in a Fred Perry polo and MAGA hat at a neo-Confederate rally in 2019
The Proud Boys do not have an official uniform, but many members had taken to wearing black and yellow tipped Fred Perry polo shirts as an unofficial uniform.[157][158]

The brand, having previously been negatively associated with skinheads and the British National Front in the 1970s,[158] issued several public statements distancing themselves from the beliefs of the Proud Boys, and calling on members to stop wearing their clothing.[159][160] In 2017, Fred Perry's CEO John Flynn denounced the affiliation with the Proud Boys in a statement to CBC Radio, saying: "We don't support the ideals or the group that you speak of. It is counter to our beliefs and the people we work with."[161]

The black and yellow tipped Fred Perry polo shirts have not been sold in the US since September 2019, and in September 2020, it has announced that it will not be selling them in the US until it is satisfied that association with Proud Boys is sufficiently removed.[162]


Do I need to change out my tennis gear?
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 21:53
prob yes it's nearly time for you to go to bed
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 21:57

Oct 1, 2020 -- 9:52PM, winningthought wrote:


Association with Fred Perry clothingProud Boy in a Fred Perry polo and MAGA hat at a neo-Confederate rally in 2019The Proud Boys do not have an official uniform, but many members had taken to wearing black and yellow tipped Fred Perry polo shirts as an unofficial uniform.[157][158]The brand, having previously been negatively associated with skinheads and the British National Front in the 1970s,[158] issued several public statements distancing themselves from the beliefs of the Proud Boys, and calling on members to stop wearing their clothing.[159][160] In 2017, Fred Perry's CEO John Flynn denounced the affiliation with the Proud Boys in a statement to CBC Radio, saying: "We don't support the ideals or the group that you speak of. It is counter to our beliefs and the people we work with."[161]The black and yellow tipped Fred Perry polo shirts have not been sold in the US since September 2019, and in September 2020, it has announced that it will not be selling them in the US until it is satisfied that association with Proud Boys is sufficiently removed.[162]Do I need to change out my tennis gear?


I know that Pringle/Lyle and Scott had similar concerns with football "casuals".

By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 21:58
politicspunter • October 1, 2020 9:44 PM BST
Biden ahead 54-41 in first national poll conducted since debate.


C- poll though

National polls don't matter as you know, trump gets a 1% swing and its down to pennsylvania, where the local gop are preparing a coup.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 01 Oct 20 22:02
National polls are useful for assessing movement. They aren’t the best way of predicting the EC, no but a national lead of over 6% for Biden pretty much takes the Trump EC advantage out of play for a comfortable win.
By:
winningthought
When: 01 Oct 20 22:04
local gop are preparing a coup.

Sounds about right. What sort of coup?
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 22:05

Oct 1, 2020 -- 9:58PM, dave1357 wrote:


politicspunter • October 1, 2020 9:44 PM BSTBiden ahead 54-41 in first national poll conducted since debate.C- poll thoughNational polls don't matter as you know, trump gets a 1% swing and its down to pennsylvania, where the local gop are preparing a coup.


It's significant in that it's the first national poll post debate and the pollsters last national poll conducted September 18th-20th had only a nine point lead 51-42.

By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 01 Oct 20 22:05
National polls can certainly matter. If he's ahead by 8 in the polls come election day, and they are out by say 2%, he wins by 6% nationally.

There's no way Trump wins all of Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Georgia from a -6% national position. He will have to win every one of those states if he is going to win. If he loses any one of those states and wins the E.C I will eat my hat.
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 22:47
this is the mistake that people made last time.  It is only the difference in the swing states that matter.  florida atm is 48.7 T 50.5 B - a 1% swing wins it for trump and that's without the GOP cheating.  Arizona is 48.1 T 50.6 B so 1.3% does that.  Penn is more comfortably biden 52.2/47.1, but the GOP state legislature is planning shenanigans.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

these guys had trump at 30% last year. Right now they have him at 20%.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 22:51

Oct 1, 2020 -- 10:47PM, dave1357 wrote:


this is the mistake that people made last time.

By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 22:52
Dave, Biden doesn't need to win Florida or Arizona. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania will do.
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 22:57
Did you read my post?  The bit where I said "Penn is more comfortably biden 52.2/47.1, but the GOP state legislature is planning shenanigans."
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 23:00
look at that link - there is a "snake" a bit down the page it shows the states and present predictions.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 23:03
Yes ok, but with Michigan and Wisconsin looking very strong for Biden currently, Trump would have to win virtually every other competitive state of which there are many.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 23:03
It's ok, I follow 538, have done for years.
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 23:09
^^it isn't an acca - they are all linked.  If trump wins arizona, it means he is much more likely to win penn. Hopefully we will see B's lead widening in polls from some of those states as a result of his disasters, but that has yet to happen.
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 01 Oct 20 23:14
If you go off state polls and ignore the national average, Biden is actually further clear nationally. Nate Silver showed this the other day when Biden was 7.1% up av. Working out the national average from state polls had him at +8%.

The state polls are reading just fine for Biden.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 23:16
If Biden maintains a 6% or so national polling average lead, that will filter down and I can't see any way Trump can win if that happens. Trump is in a much worse position than he was with Hillary, there are too many states he would have to win.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 23:18
Hillary only won the national vote by 2.1% and Trump won the electoral college because his vote was spread incredibly efficiently (and luckily).
By:
dave1357
When: 01 Oct 20 23:19
^^
this is like pulling nails.

Yes they are looking fine

However, they aren't independent.

A small swing in national polls to trump means that all the swing states that biden needs to win are in play.

Why do you think you can't do multiples in state betting?
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 01 Oct 20 23:23
A small swing in national polls to trump means that all the swing states that biden needs to win are in play.

No, they are not.

A small swing nationally for Trump does not mean Michigan and Wisconsin are in play.

Unless you're defining a small swing as 3%, which isn't small.
By:
politicspunter
When: 01 Oct 20 23:24
Dave, relax. No one is claiming they are multiples/accas. Here is a thing, Biden is doing much better with Northern working class whites than Hillary. This brings into play Maine, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. There is a very strong chance, in my opinion, that he will win all of these. He also could win Ohio and Iowa which are also in toss up land. Arizona, Georgia, Florida and Texas could be classed as a different group where he hasn't being doing so well recently but is still in the shake up in all of them.
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 01 Oct 20 23:27
States are not entirely independent but you didn't make a great comparison with Arizona to Pennsylvania - they are quite different from one another demographically and in many other ways.
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