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By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 09:57

Aug 15, 2020 -- 9:55AM, aaronh wrote:


Aug 15, 2020 --  9:21AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Why?Because allowing a america to have fair elections where all eligible voters have the opportunity to vote means the Republicans will never win again and IT doesn't like that


Nailed it.

By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:02
Those who vote democratic are more prone to to using voter fraud ( like labour in U.K.)
So that is why they can’t be trusted with mail or electronic voting

Simple as that
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:02
If Central/South American countries were running election cheating the way USA does they coups would already have been instigated there
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:05
You have to watch them as they vote , watch them closely

someone once said never trust anyone who votes democrat ( or labour )
don’t trust anyone , not even your own mother or father

Good advise
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:06
You can go back as far as you like , right back to JFK

They’re always at it
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:09

Aug 15, 2020 -- 9:55AM, aaronh wrote:


Aug 15, 2020 --  9:21AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Why?Because allowing a america to have fair elections where all eligible voters have the opportunity to vote means the Republicans will never win again and IT doesn't like that


Given the fraud and chaos when mail-in voting has been done on a tiny scale how to do plan to avoid fraud and chaos in a state like Nevada where they want to go from nothing to 100% mail-in?

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:10
Put aside your personal political opinions and talk us through how this can be done in under 3 months?
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 10:12
You would imagine that because Trump is in the process of wrecking the democratic process in America, there will be multiple court cases in many states to try and decide the "winner". Perhaps throwing minimum "hail mary" bets around isn't a bad idea.
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:12
Maybe you can explain how the alternative is better, and provide the best opportunity for as many people as possible to vote. Your side is the one who wants to cheat and stop people from doing so.

As for fraud, it is statistically insignificant and hence irrelevant. But done by Republicans more anyway
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:13
The faux concern for the sanctity of mail in voting by Trump voters is embarrassing anyway when their man is enthusiastically killing the post system
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:15

Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:12AM, aaronh wrote:


Maybe you can explain how the alternative is better, and provide the best opportunity for as many people as possible to vote. Your side is the one who wants to cheat and stop people from doing so.As for fraud, it is statistically insignificant and hence irrelevant. But done by Republicans more anyway


What do you mean 'your side'

Have you seen what has happened on small scale mail-in voting elections.

The experiment failed.

By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 10:16

Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:12AM, aaronh wrote:


Maybe you can explain how the alternative is better, and provide the best opportunity for as many people as possible to vote. Your side is the one who wants to cheat and stop people from doing so.As for fraud, it is statistically insignificant and hence irrelevant. But done by Republicans more anyway


Correct. The worst example this century of fraud by republicans happened in North Carolina 9th seat in the 2018 Midterm elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_North_Carolina%27s_9th_congressional_district_special_election

By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:17

Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:15AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:12AM, aaronh wrote:Maybe you can explain how the alternative is better, and provide the best opportunity for as many people as possible to vote. Your side is the one who wants to cheat and stop people from doing so.As for fraud, it is statistically insignificant and hence irrelevant. But done by Republicans more anywayWhat do you mean 'your side'Have you seen what has happened on small scale mail-in voting elections.The experiment failed.


Yes, it wasn't a real experiment but you lot fell for it as per

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:18
Vote-by-mail delivers an array of problems
Lanhee J. Chen Opinion contributor
Published 11:46 AM EDT Apr 8, 2020

A broad expansion of vote-by-mail or early voting systems because of the coronavirus crisis raises logistical concerns, as well as worries that voter fraud or other election security issues will taint the electoral results.

Election administration is decentralized in the United States, so different states and localities are at very different levels of preparedness for a transition to vote-by-mail systems.

While citizens in some states, like Oregon, are used to voting in all of their elections by mail, about half of the states do not have vote-by-mail as either an available or widely available option. In those states where vote-by-mail is widely used, infrastructure likely already exists to mail out printed ballots, ensure their safe return, and then process voted ballots in an efficient and secure manner.

For example, Oregon has been an all-mail state for presidential general elections since 2000, giving it 20 years to work out the kinks. But it’s unlikely that states with no or limited vote-by-mail history would be able to effectively stand up the necessary procedures and facilities before the November general election. Furthermore, a 2005 bipartisan electoral reform commission concluded that vote-by-mail programs create “concerns about privacy, as citizens voting from home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates” and, perhaps more significantly, increase the “risk of fraud.”

OUR VIEW: Wisconsin voting mess sends a message for November

If election administrators are unable to verify the authenticity of votes cast, election results would be delayed or put in doubt, and protracted post-election legal disputes are likely.

There is also little evidence that vote-by-mail significantly expands turnout in federal elections. And all-mail systems face equity concerns because it can be a challenge to get ballots to voters without addresses, or who move often. Increasing access to early voting also raises concerns.

Voters who cast their ballots early risk missing critical information that can surface in the closing days of an electoral campaign. Such programs do not appear to increase voter participation meaningfully. And a vast expansion of such programs raises logistical and cost concerns similar to those created by the move to increase voting by mail.

Lanhee J. Chen is the David and Diane Steffy Fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution and the director of Domestic Policy Studies in Public Policy at Stanford University.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/07/vote-mail-delivers-array-problems-opposing-view-editorials-and-debates/2966804001/
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:20
Tl;dr

Republicans suddenly caring about all the things they caused
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:21
trump has spent 3 months saying this kind of voting is bad instead of doing something about the problem
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:23
It was Jimmy Carter (Democrat) et al in 2005 that raised it as a problem after the King County disgrace.

There are countless cases when this type of mail-in voting is problematic.

To just ignore it is, frankly, bizarre.
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:26
The left should just support the banning of mail in voting in the UK to deny all the housebound tory voters under the guise of a couple of Muslim families fraudulently voting. Seems a pro strategy to follow
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 10:27

Aug 15, 2020 -- 10:21AM, aaronh wrote:


trump has spent 3 months saying this kind of voting is bad instead of doing something about the problem


He is trying to sort out the problem by putting a stop to it. For instance through the courts in the case of Nevada.

By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:28
Sorting out the problem is responding to it moonths ago and working with his party to fund sorting the problem
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 10:34
The Trump Government is corrupt to the core. They basically are trying to stop folks voting who are likely to vote for the Democrats.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:35
Democrats in America and labour voters here don’t care about democracy nor the legitimatecy of an election
Their one aim is to win , by any means fair or fowl
And if even then they lose
They still will not accept that either , and turn to riots and violence and protests

This is what the traditional conservative voter , mild and law abiding silent and peaceful  faces today I’m afraid
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:38
The silent majority never shuts up
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:41
It’s easy to be silent aaron , by being silent you can avoid causing the least possible harm
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 10:44
I would like to see all the anti British anti American types shipped out to Hong Kong

And the British loving ( I’ve seen them with the U.K. flag) democrats allowed into this beautiful country .
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 10:49
Aren't anti government agitators, thugs and rioters supposed to be getting beaten by the police?
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 11:06
Lovers of democracy are always welcome in Britain aaron
Especially when they carry the Union flag and not burning it , they  respect this great democratic  country
You see they are demonstrating in Hong Kong against brutal China
They will be perfectly peaceful and happy in Britain ,

One Hong Kong British and democracy loving person for 10 anti British labour anti British anti democracy would be nice
Good riddance !
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 11:08
Just bring all those 3 million hong kong folks here please.
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 11:14
Send them to Hong Kong , that would give them something to protest about ,  lol
By:
lfc1971
When: 15 Aug 20 11:17
I very much admire these  Hong Kong protesters ,

That is one thing , democrats and the Labour Party another

Don’t confuse one with the other
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:20
Lfc supporting the state cracking skulls in 1 country and not the other when the behaviour is exactly the same
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:24
all the freedom supporting patriots on here proclaim to be pro democracy but have good words to say about all the other anti democratic governments from the outright dictatorships, authoritarians and wannabe ones and then those who seek to undermine the democratic process ehether its through legal means or legally questionable ones
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 11:29
Actually, I find lfc posts for the last couple of years extremely consistent..

lfc1971 • August 15, 2020 11:17 AM BST
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By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:34
Tried that once but can't help myself Plain
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 Aug 20 11:35
Saves a huge amount of time that would have been completely wasted otherwise.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 15 Aug 20 11:38
The radical left and their cancelling of anyone or anything that disagrees with them.

Pathetic bunch.
By:
dave1357
When: 15 Aug 20 11:42
InsiderTrader • August 15, 2020 10:27 AM BST

He is trying to sort out the problem by putting a stop to it. For instance through the courts in the case of Nevada.


He is voting by mail himself, how is that putting a stop to it?
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:43
Don't you ever get bored of just repeating tired narratives and buzzwords IT.

Aren't you lot supposed to be free and independent thinkers unlike the radical left?
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:47
When talking about the Dems (who are to the right of the Tories generally) it is the Radical Left

When talking about Corbyn, it was the Hard Left

Just so happens to be that the phrasing of both of these are the attack lines of their opponents in both cases and here, the media.

Free thinkers though
By:
aaronh
When: 15 Aug 20 11:48
MAGA is somehow even worse for groupthink than FBPE Plain
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