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By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 23:33
And you keep saying No 10 and Downing Street said this and that. Who said? This is just a hide behind standard claim by newspapers to retract a denial. Did Cummings say or did Boris say? Anything else you say means absolutely nothing.  Just stirring up trouble like some of the papers.
By:
Wallflower
When: 26 May 20 23:38
Downing Street lied (or Cummings lied to Downing Street).

Dispute that if you can.  Never mind your whataboutery or diversions.

Extremely comfortable in my views/position. Couldn't be more confident. You need to detach yourself and look at it more factually and dispassionately.

Happy
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 23:46
The fact is you have no idea what you are talking about Wallflower. You don't know who said what and you do know the Durham Police lied ffs. Their position and your position is untenable.
All you have left is your bigotry and bias. Good luck with that it is going to be a long 10 years.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 00:01
"...... No 10 statement continues -‘At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.


Look it up for yourself....  or are you telling me this was not part of the original official statement.  You do know what an official Downing Street statement is?  I hope.

So less of the "bigotry and bias" pleaseAngry.  I told you I dont care one way or the other.  But its easy to discern the facts (and most of the lies) in this case.

Either Downing Street (OFFICIAL STATEMENT) is a lie or they were lied to.  Its an either / or. 

Its not a matter of knowing what I'm talking about.  Its who lied to who between Downing Street office / Cummings.  Somebody did.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 00:04

May 27, 2020 -- 12:01AM, Wallflower wrote:


"...... No 10 statement continues -‘At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.’Look it up for yourself....  or are you telling me this was not part of the original official statement.  You do know what an official Downing Street statement is?  I hope.So less of the "bigotry and bias" please.  I told you I dont care one way or the other.  But its easy to discern the facts (and most of the lies) in this case.Either Downing Street (OFFICIAL STATEMENT) is a lie or they were lied to.  Its an either / or.  Its not a matter of knowing what I'm talking about.  Its who lied to who between Downing Street office / Cummings.  Somebody did.


This is common knowledge. What can be in dispute?

By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 May 20 08:43
bigrust put in quite a shift yesterday before he crumpled.

Thank you for your concern for me and others, bigrust. You missed a beautiful day.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 09:11
Actually you are right United I really should thank you guys for keeping me entertained. I am at my desk all day most days now and I find this is a little light relief. Thank you.

Wallflower the press use such statements all the time when they are guessing something just to get a reaction. They think it somehow makes them being truthful but it is quite the opposite. They use it with the Royal family as well. So if your already flimsy and rubbished argument is now based on this evidence then the story ends. Don't you think?

It was the press that lied. How unusual is that?
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 09:12
If they had an official statement on No10 paper it would have been all over the papers.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 27 May 20 11:22
Really Brigadier

Your position is hopeless. Most of the country knows Cummings broke lockdown and then lied about it. While he was at it he then lied about his previous work on pandemics, having been caught updating a previous blog.

And none if it would have come to light except he was seen reported and exposed by the press.

He is not sorry and is so self obsessed he does not even begin to doubt that his multiple breaches of lockdown were wrong, let alone have the humility to apologise to the country for undermining our efforts to deal with the virus.

His  excuse for spreading the virus when he knew he was ill is pitiful. His excuse for driving his virus ridden wife more than half way up England is just ridiculous, when many thousands of others with kids had to manage & stay  home as he (Cummings) had told them to via his protege Johnson and the hapless idiot Hancock.

His just happening to drive wife (on her birthday) and child to Castle Howard, go for a river walk, stop at woods en route back to Durham to “test his eye sight” is such a transparently stinking pinocceo that I am honestly baffled as to why anyone would possibly believe a single word.

Many may die as a result of the loss of trust he and Johnson have now instilled in the British public. The Governemnts messages of how we should manage virus spread has been trashed. A more incompetent and a more wicked regime we have not endured in the UK in anyone’s living memory.

And all this after the PPE, care homes, late testing, late lockdown and death planes scandal.
By:
sofiakenny
When: 27 May 20 11:33
cryoftruth...excellent post.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 12:05
brigust1 27 May 20 08:11 
Actually you are right United I really should thank you guys for keeping me entertained. I am at my desk all day most days now and I find this is a little light relief. Thank you.

Wallflower the press use such statements all the time when they are guessing something just to get a reaction. They think it somehow makes them being truthful but it is quite the opposite. They use it with the Royal family as well. So if your already flimsy and rubbished argument is now based on this evidence then the story ends. Don't you think?

It was the press that lied. How unusual is that?

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"...the press use such statements all the time when they are guessing something just to get a reaction..."

Ok - something you badly need to understand. Downing Street Statements are OFFICIAL communiques from the Prime Minister's Office.  They happen every day - for example, the Coronavirus update you see daily are Downing Street Statements - you can read / download the transcripts if you want. It is official, recorded, for the historical record communication.

It is NOT for interpretation or guessing etc. You can give an opinion obviously but you cannot adjust the message - nothing to do with the press or anybody else. The press didnt make this statement - they relayed word for word, as they must.


Again - OFFICIAL STATEMENT  23rd MAY VERBATIM --‘At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.’

Nobody is making this up. Do you get this much? It is an INDISPUTABLE FACT as plain as day. 

One step at a time - straight question:-  are you telling me this was NOT the official communication from the PM Office (ie Downing Street)
By:
Angoose
When: 27 May 20 12:53
This should be good Happy
By:
thegiggilo
When: 27 May 20 15:02
https://twitter.com/DaveH96899945/status/1265578921799626752

His wife with her fantasy story,spoken as though it's a drama from the 50s what a complete embarassment..
By:
Angoose
When: 27 May 20 15:36
Deary me Cry
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 16:15
Hi guys, been busy today. Goodness leave you alone to your own devices and you do talk some rubbish You really need Dom to keep you in line.

I clearly missed the Official Statement from No.10 Wall, if you could show me a copy you have seen it would be appreciated.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 27 May 20 19:22
Welcome back brigadier.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 19:23
Cummings son Cedd named after an Anglo-Saxon saint who travelled to Northumbria and died of plague after infecting many others.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 27 May 20 19:26
I thought he was called arrogant turd after his father.
By:
MrBaboon
When: 27 May 20 19:37
Cummings did the right thing.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 19:38
Anglo-Saxon, term used historically to describe any member of the Germanic peoples who, from the 5th century ce to the time of the Norman Conquest (1066), inhabited and ruled territories that are today part of England and Wales.

effing EU again. Spreading the plague this time. First them then China. We should sue.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 19:38
Statement isn't on Government feed, so can't locate - thats interesting in itself.  Copy circulated to press.

Photo here,  numerous twitter and online sites quote it word for word - its very easy to find. Its not that it matters that much but just clarifying the above were DOWNING STREET statements, as I stated. 

https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1264124644191277057/photo/1


My point is either Downing St or Cummings were lying. More likely contrived between both. But hey-ho, its hardly a surprise - career liars both.

You are also missing the point - its not so much his breaking the rules as the whole attitude combined with the pathetic / nonsensical nature of the excuses that has the public riled-up as much as they are.  i.e. "ok, you broke the rules  - but show a bit of regret and do us the courtesy of coming up with a half decent storyShocked - this eye-test sh1te just insults 60 million people even more".
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 19:39
Led by the nose Wallflower. Will you give it up. The press have made a patsy of you.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 19:41
The press have been career liars since long before Boris and Dominic came along. Or didn't you know?
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 19:48

May 27, 2020 -- 7:38PM, Wallflower wrote:


Statement isn't on Government feed, so can't locate - thats interesting in itself.  Copy circulated to press.Photo here,  numerous twitter and online sites quote it word for word - its very easy to find. Its not that it matters that much but just clarifying the above were DOWNING STREET statements, as I stated.  https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1264124644191277057/photo/1My point is either Downing St or Cummings were lying. More likely contrived between both. But hey-ho, its hardly a surprise - career liars both.You are also missing the point - its not so much his breaking the rules as the whole attitude combined with the pathetic / nonsensical nature of the excuses that has the public riled-up as much as they are.  i.e. "ok, you broke the rules  - but show a bit of regret and do us the courtesy of coming up with a half decent story - this eye-test sh1te just insults 60 million people even more".


The eyetest bit is cringeworthy just thinking about it. How can this whole scenario be allowed to happen? What sort of "government" have we got? A damn poor one, very poor.

By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 19:52
Oh yes indeed they have, that is true  But glad to see you are acknowledging Johnson and Cummings as liars.

In this particular case though we are dealing in hard facts. Press in this instance are comfortable, Johnson and Cummings are squirming.Happy.

The were forced to move from 'not wasting our time with false allegations from campaigning newspapers" to a full-blown press conference to acknowledge the substance of the story.

As I said, I dont care really one way or the other - though every little thing, no matter how small that helps Scottish Independence is good - this is minor really but is helpful. Though admittedly I am enjoying it, watching the exposureLaugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 19:54
No wonder the opinion polls are going mental just now. Labour have got the gap down to 6 (was 26 just over a month ago), the SNP polling is going through the roof (54%) which would wipe out every tory MP up there with a bit to spare. Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised that the difference in the Calderwood/ Cummings outcomes are driving these changes.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 19:56
Cummings reputation is badly damaged no matter what.  Hated by the Tory party, seen as quite ordinary - his "performance" has been very mediocre (and that is being kind). Looks like a one trick pony.

If that is the Brexit "architect" they are going to get destroyed by the heavy hitters of the EU. No doubt.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 19:57
johnson reputation and standing has plummeted during this crisis. Wont recover.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 20:01
BBC admits Emily Maitlis DID breach impartiality rules: Broadcaster says Newsnight staff will be 'reminded of guidelines' but viewers demand Ofcom probe into her amazing diatribe over Dominic Cummings and PM.

The media are coming apart. Not before time.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 20:01

May 27, 2020 -- 7:57PM, Wallflower wrote:


johnson reputation and standing has plummeted during this crisis. Wont recover.


On 28th April Boris approval rating was +39. Be lucky if it's still in positive territory today.

By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 20:03
The tory party have 365 MPs. Possibly 40 are unhappy. Do the maths ffs.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 20:07
Hey you - leave Emily aloneAngry.  She can do wrongLoveLove !! 

My only real criticism is that she can distract me from the interviewsGrin
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 20:10
brigust1 27 May 20 19:03 
The tory party have 365 MPs. Possibly 40 are unhappy. Do the maths ffs.

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Ok then - majority of 80.  Theoretically Vote of confidence in PM or Govt  -  40 vote against Majority gone.  Just saying.Cool
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 20:26
In your dreams Wallflower. Goodness me Wallfower you are clutching at straws now. I gave it till the end of the week and we are nearly there.
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 20:29
All you have done is prove that the Police are liars and the press are liars and the BBC have have been had for breaching the impartiality rules.
You could not lose any bigger.  You have won absolutely nothing ffs.
By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 20:30
I know - I just helped with your maths question, since you asked.  F*ck sake, you give a guy who asks a helping hand and this is all you getShocked.

PS.  I think you find my calculations to your specific query are correctCool
By:
brigust1
When: 27 May 20 22:04
Time to give it up Wall. You tried to force the pace for a while but you're pretty much beaten and weakening out of contention now. Nice try. But no cigar.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 May 20 22:09

May 27, 2020 -- 8:30PM, Wallflower wrote:


I know - I just helped with your maths question, since you asked.  F*ck sake, you give a guy who asks a helping hand and this is all you get.PS.  I think you find my calculations to your specific query are correct


You are wasting your time with brigust. Just block him, I had to. He is an abusive troll who will follow you around every day until you shut him off.

By:
Wallflower
When: 27 May 20 22:25
brigust - haven't even broke sweatHappy. Just eased off a bit as I thought you were obviously getting frazzled defending the nonsensical - I knew you this as you were verging on getting insulting. So some free advice (to go with the maths lesson) count to ten before you hit send. If you cant be logical I wont think any less of you as long as you are civil at least. Thanks, appreciated.

PP may have lost patience, but I'll persist for a while, if I feel like it.

Being serious here - try and up your game a bit. Hint - more facts, information, analysis and less personal comments. Good lad.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 27 May 20 22:42
Gawn by Friday
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