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By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 26 May 20 12:01
A favourite Guardian writer is John Crace.

Enjoy:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/regrets-st-dom-had-a-few-but-then-again-too-few-to-mention
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 12:02
What we must all remember is

The dates to remember :  31st January 2020. We LEFT the EU.

The next date to remember: 31st December 2020. We leave with or without a deal.

Anything else, and all of this, is just a sideshow to keep the REMAINERS hanging on the hook and to sell newspapers.
They don't give a monkey about you.
Have a nice day.
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 12:07
Remember United every day nearer to 31st December is a good day for me and a bad day for you because you cannot abide losing and the likes of The Guardian know that. Stop being another one of their targets it is making your life angry and bitter when there are better things to think about and they really couldn't give a monkey's about you. Any lie they can dig up for sensationalism and to keep you on the hook they will.
By:
impossible123
When: 26 May 20 12:16
I've not bought or read a newspaper for over 10 years. I'd rather get the news from various sources eg tv, radio, etc. My take on Mr Cummings and his "journey" to Durham no matter how "instinctively reasonable" he claimed it was to him I'd not share because he did not give  a damn the possible consequences his actions could have had on joe public reasons well documented.

One thing for sure though I'll still adhere to lockdown rules whenever possible and necessary to minimise risks to my immediate family, relatives and friends but I would not hesitate to exercise my "instincts" (even if it means contravening lockdown rules eg attending a funeral (joe public do not come into the reckonin)g. And, I hope the authorities could understand and accept my behaviour and action.
By:
moondan
When: 26 May 20 12:31
Mr Baboon.

I hate to say you are well named but I am sure you can do better, Please say you can do better.ExcitedExcited
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 12:31
I couldn't disagree more Imp. You are looking at the newspapers and not looking at the man. Cummings is one of those people who are driven. Sightseeing as some say he was is not on his agenda. He is virtually in charge, with others, of getting us through this and I bet anything he has so many netter things to think about, more important things and he has a better brain than the vast majority of MP's. He wouldn't think about a 30 mile drive to sit by a river as anything but a test of his ability to drive further and back to his job. I bet anything his job is his world and anything else doesn't matter.
By:
A_T
When: 26 May 20 12:37
probably why he's clinging onto it for dear life - without it he's just another alt-right blogger
By:
moondan
When: 26 May 20 12:52
Everyone was warned there is a price to pay for Boris as a prime minister.  He is dishonest to the core and actually  a clueless liar.
No party or country would have him as their prime minister, at least a self respecting country would not.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 26 May 20 12:57
dom test drive to barnard castle

could of been halfway to london

dom gone by thurs
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 13:06
A lot of desperate anti Boris Remainers on here. It looks like I am going to have a happy and cheerful 10 years watching you all squirm. Laugh
By:
mrs peopleater
When: 26 May 20 13:07
Dom wont be going anywhere, just a hysterical witch hunt by lockdown zealots in the remainstream media
By:
impossible123
When: 26 May 20 13:15
I'd not bought or read a newspaper from cover to cover not even at my barber for over 10 years - my political persuasion is not a given. Instead on the quality and integrity of party members or government. In the Dec Election there was no contest - Cummings or no Cummings - as the alternative was unthinkable if one has aspiration for UK Plc.

If Bojo is so reliant on Mr Cummings who's undoubtedly a control and sanctimonious freak eg Mr believes he's far superior than others (maybe in the present cabinet given the obvious lack of quality), and indispensable, then god help UK Plc; Bojo and Mr Cummings have made a complete horlicks of tackling Covid-19 from the outset till now.

I can assure you Mr Cummings is nothing special outside politics. He comes across as a bully, and his arrogance and management style will not get him far, private or public company.
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 13:50
Are you serious Imp? Not get him far ffs. He's running the blooming country. How far do you want to get? And to run the country do we want soft, nicey nicey people everyone likes or do we want someone who can get the job done and not care what anyone thinks. I know what I want.

And the newspaper are trying to get rid of him because he doesn't suit their agenda. That is even better. Stuff the newspapers.
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 13:54

May 26, 2020 -- 1:07PM, mrs peopleater wrote:


Dom wont be going anywhere, just a hysterical witch hunt by lockdown zealots in the remainstream media


I find it truly bizarre during this pandemic that some folks are still obsessed by the EU, which is currently irrelevant.

By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 14:12
I find it bizarre that some on here have not a clue what is going on in the real world. The Mirror, Observer and Guardian who as they say have been planning this for weeks want to get Cummings and Boris because they led the Leave campaign. Anyone who doesn't know that must have been living in a bubble somewhere.
By:
Wallflower
When: 26 May 20 14:48
Brigust.

Blah, blah, blah.  Sideshow - making it a Brexit issue. Brexit is done, only issue is now is how big of a clusterf*ck it is actually going to be. It will be a major factor in Scottish Independence so I'm cool with Brexit really.

More importantly, back to the matter in hand.

Should Catherine Calderwood in Scotland have resigned?

Should Neil Ferguson have resigned?

If no, then why not?

If yes, then what is different about Cummings behaviour?  (by the way, the press did not hound Ferguson and Calderwood like they did Cummings because the actually did resign - so its end of story for them).

Your only defence of Cummings seems to be is he is the arch-leaver and the remainer press don't like him.  That is not a defence - have you got another one?  I mean "boo-hoo poor me the press is after me" doesn't wash - the man who thrives on manipulating both the mainstream press and social media should accept you live by the sword you'll most likely die by it.

As I said elsewhere - its one thing brazening it out but its another thing making-up the most pitiful reasons to be in Barnard Castle - he should be fired for that crock of sh1t alone - could he not come up with something better than that? Embarrassing for him, the PM, the government, and most of all the country that is being expected to hold their noses and accept this as valid.

So any other defence?
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 15:00
Does it not seem nuts that Cummings concocted the reasons and justification for this fable up with Boris and probably Gove, then they all agreed he should go and hold a press conference for an hour or so? The Barnard Castle part alone is so ludicrous (eyesight test) that I am wondering who is making the final decisions at number ten.
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 15:16
If you cannot see the difference between the Cummings case and the two you selected then that is your problem, not mine. Wallflower.
By:
Angoose
When: 26 May 20 15:16
Paul Brand
@PaulBrandITV

NEW: I understand @TomTugendhat has also been excluded from tomorrow’s Liaison committee grilling of the PM, alongside @Tobias_Ellwood
One MP claims Bernard Jenkin was ordered to do so by the whips.

Another says “Stopping Tory MPs asking a Tory PM questions...the new normal.”

If this turns out to be true, it's North Korea time.
By:
impossible123
When: 26 May 20 15:18
One does not need to be an arrogant, sanctimonious and egotist to be effective and successful in what's profession. But, from what I saw yesterday the man had no humility or cared what joe public thought as long as he himself and family were well-served (according to him) - his instincts were superior and acceptable (to him) regardless; if he'd been involved in a RTA enroute to Durham the repercussions and risks could be monumental and not just confined to Mr Cummings and family alone.

If Bojo needs someone like Mr Cummings an egotist with no humility but arrogance the sooner Bojo goes (take Mr Cummings with him) the better as the knowledge that there's one rule for joe public, and another for his cronies and inner circle chums; Bojo would rather have a 3rd rate health minister than Mr Hunt - the result is the present Covid-19 "fame" the EU country with the highest death rates.

I must admit I do not know Mr Cummings only hear of him just recently as I think he was relatively unknown until Brexit. I recently heard he was sacked by Mr Cameron, one of the two 'poshboys' who guided UK to a better and healthier economic footing. And, I wonder why.

To suggest T was persuaded by the editorials of some newspapers is an insult as I've never been brought up to accept or assume an opinion without questioning. My mind is my biggest asset (to me anyway), and I tell it as it is. Others can except it or not - it's their prerogative after all we are merely cyber "friends or protagonists" on a bookie forum.
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 15:21
What you don't understand PP, and you won't because you have blocked me for some childish reason, is exactly because it is not something anyone would make up.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 26 May 20 15:21
It's been norf career since johnson was made leader,i said it from day one and it will continue..
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 15:22
Hi Gig, living the dream we are. LaughLaugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 15:34
Journalist Mary Wakefield revealed that No10 chief Mr Cummings, 48, spent 10 days bedridden after 'collapsing' and having 'spasms' with the disease at the end of March.

How did he manage to miraculously get up and go to the hospital for his son?
By:
Wallflower
When: 26 May 20 15:41
brigust1 26 May 20 14:16 
If you cannot see the difference between the Cummings case and the two you selected then that is your problem, not mine. Wallflower.
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Think its really Cumming's (and Johnson's) problem. Not mineCool, though I do not see the substantive difference (because there isn't any).

Big gamble yesterday.  He (and his wife) blatantly flouted the regulations - he's done his usual trick and "double-downed" on his gamble. He might well get away with it, but this is far from certain - but some price will be paid by this government, particularly Johnson - either with the public or with the Tory party.

He is blatantly lying, everyone can see it (I doubt you could even deny this, could you?Shocked).

The first part of the gamble is will the public and the media stomach being lied to? Probably not - but something had to be done or he was toast. The second part is / was could the press conference stretch this out long enough so that some other event get its way into the media spotlight for the public to tire of this?

We'll see.
By:
Wallflower
When: 26 May 20 15:49
Saw that PP - he also contributed to her lying story. No surprise he lies with impunity (like Johnson) - Brexit is built on bullshit and lies so noy unexpected.

I also see where yesterday in the press conference he said he wrote about the dangers of coronaviruses in 2019, was also a lie.  He re-edited the blog in April-May 2020 to include the referencesAngryAngry !!!
By:
jed.davison
When: 26 May 20 15:59
So embittered by Brexit. Such a shame that people are still unable to accept the result of several democratic votes.
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 16:14
Move on Wallflower. You won't get this time again. Is it worth wasting it and all your emotions on something you cannot change and will not change?
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 16:28
For Dominic Cummings, the PM's chief adviser, to claim, in the middle of his defence on Monday, "only last year I wrote explicitly about the danger of coronaviruses" is worthy of some inspection.

Such prescience would indeed have been impressive and helpful, and he does have a long-standing and well-known interest in mathematical modelling and big data.

Looking at his blog, there is one reference to coronavirus, and it was indeed in a blog written in March last year. But it wasn't quite as billed. It is a blog about the risk of a pandemic starting from a leak from a biological lab.

The internet archive Wayback Machine, which tracks the changing versions of publicly available websites, shows that the blog was edited some time between 9 April and 3 May this year (after the pandemic started) to insert the reference to coronavirus and Chinese labs.

It is a mystery why he felt the need to burnish his credentials as a coronavirus sage so much that he pointed to having explicitly warned about something that was only added to his blog after the event.
By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:33

May 26, 2020 -- 12:01PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:


A favourite Guardian writer is John Crace. Enjoy:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/regrets-st-dom-had-a-few-but-then-again-too-few-to-mention


To quote the Guardian it is best to cut and paste. A number of modern browsers have advance bull**** detection built in and refuse to navigate to the Guardian web site.

By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:35

May 26, 2020 -- 12:52PM, moondan wrote:


Everyone was warned there is a price to pay for Boris as a prime minister.  He is dishonest to the core and actually  a clueless liar.No party or country would have him as their prime minister, at least a self respecting country would not.


Don't hide your feelings - if you don't like him just say so.

By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:41

May 26, 2020 -- 3:00PM, politicspunter wrote:


Does it not seem nuts that Cummings concocted the reasons and justification for this fable up with Boris and probably Gove, then they all agreed he should go and hold a press conference for an hour or so? The Barnard Castle part alone is so ludicrous (eyesight test) that I am wondering who is making the final decisions at number ten.


So you would have preferred him not to front up and answer every question thrown at him? What a strange attitude.

Also, neither you nor I know how much truth was in his statement. If you claim to then you are psychic or are falling foul of your own bias. I certainly lay no claim to knowing how truthful it was. I am old fashioned enough to have the courtesy to accept what people say until it is proven false.

By:
fife
When: 26 May 20 16:41
The left wing Daily Mail has not exactly been singing  his praises lately.
By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:44
^ Very true. Apart from the FT all newspapers are all muck-raking scum
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 16:44

May 26, 2020 -- 4:41PM, markzzz wrote:


May 26, 2020 --  2:00PM, politicspunter wrote:Does it not seem nuts that Cummings concocted the reasons and justification for this fable up with Boris and probably Gove, then they all agreed he should go and hold a press conference for an hour or so? The Barnard Castle part alone is so ludicrous (eyesight test) that I am wondering who is making the final decisions at number ten.So you would have preferred him not to front up and answer every question thrown at him? What a strange attitude.Also, neither you nor I know how much truth was in his statement. If you claim to then you are psychic or are falling foul of your own bias. I certainly lay no claim to knowing how truthful it was. I am old fashioned enough to have the courtesy to accept what people say until it is proven false.


So you believe Cummings that the trip to Barnard Castle with his wife and child was to test his eyesight?

By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:46
You can prove that is false can you?. As I said common courtesy is to take peoples word until it is PROVEN false.
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 May 20 16:47
I am asking you a very simple question markzz, do you believe his reason for going to Barnard Castle?
By:
brigust1
When: 26 May 20 16:49
I believe it. He is far too interested in his job than going for a jaunt ffs.

The clueless on here clearly just have an axe to grind with Boris. I believe Boris will do what is best for the country and if he thinks the best way to do that, as he clearly does, is with Cummings then that is good enough for me. These are the reasons why he is where he is and I want him to achieve the best he possibly can.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 26 May 20 16:49

If you cannot see the difference between the Cummings case and the two you selected then that is your problem, not mine. Wallflower.


Brigadier. The Cummings case is different in a number of ways.

First it is more serious
Second he has been unsuccessfully lying about it ever since
Thirdly he added to his mistake by apparently driving a car with poor eyesight thereby putting a number of others at risk
Fourthly the others did not blame the media for publicising their mistake

And the most important difference is that Cummings did not apologise, did not resign and was not (yet) sacked. People are already ignoring social distancing and saying “Its alright, Cummings can do what he likes so can I” so his behaviour, his arrogance and his belief that he is above the rules made for ordinary unimportant people will cost lives.

It will be his fault for breaking the clear rules and Johnson’s for lacking the gumption or bottle to sack him. Will they give a hoot about the deaths they will have caused. Nit at all. The dead will just be plebs nit important people like Cummings.
By:
markzzz
When: 26 May 20 16:50
PP I am giving a simple response. I will cut and paste it for you.

"You can prove that is false can you?. As I said common courtesy is to take peoples word until it is PROVEN false."

If that is not simple enough, then is this a little clearer? I believe it until it is proven to be false.
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