Politics
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 323 comments are related to the topic:
By-election in Oldham West and Royton
By-election in Oldham West and Royton
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 323
|
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
04 Dec 15 18:34 Shocking that people chose to talk about the issue that concerns them most rather than what you think they should. Agreed. Focus on taking other peoples' money. That's the way to run an economy. |
|
By:
Many of the houses in that constituency will depend on tax credits.
|
|
By:
If only 40% voted in a by election that had so much publicity, heaven help democracy. Mind you, if "none of the above" had been on the ballot, it might have been 75%. I reckon the cahance to say I don't want any of that shower representing me would attract half of the population.
|
|
By:
the whingeing and whining on here is so silly, accept the democratic result , we were told by the right wing foriegn owned billionaire press that Labour were finsished and that ukip would destroy Labour in its northern heartlands, no such thing has happened and never will, do the tory press believe that whether it is the white working class or immigrants that they will turn to farage to defend them from the the most right wing tory government ever, never in a million years.
|
|
By:
you need to be more worried about the serried(sorry), make that segregated, ranks of muslim labour - that is where the power will grow.
|
|
By:
To reconcile the competing views it seems we must accept bits from each sector of the debate. On one hand it is true that Farage has put his finger on some quite basic problems in society and that by and large the people agree. On the other it seemingly steadfastly refuses to transform into enough votes to ratchet up the pressure on the established parties.
Similarly the Westminster bubble and media giants have bombarded the public with an anti Corbyn narrative and yet to be fair to him whenever he is interviewed he just seems quite normal and logical. This was pointed out by the wife. She was undecided on Syria strikes and then heard Corbyn on the radio and concluded that he was putting forward a strong case unlike the Cameron car crash. I doubt the door will ever be much more ajar for UKIP and they are unable to walk through the opening. Maybe our people whine and bellyache when it suits ad that is all it is? |
|
By:
If only 40% voted in a by election that had so much publicity, heaven help democracy.
By election turnouts are often way lower than 40% in fact thats a pretty good turnout. Also I would say that this wasnt a by election with massive publicity as other events took it out of the news. |
|
By:
I doubt the door will ever be much more ajar for UKIP and they are unable to walk through the opening.
That is exactly why this was such a shocker for UKIP. The conditions were ripe for them to make a big advance and they achieved nothing. |
|
By:
Despite all the anti Corbyn stuff from the media, one has to look at the issues prevalent and how those will form people's opinions and thus their voting intentions.
Most people on benefits and the lower waged and that includes all those with a household income of sub £35,000 per year in my opinion, will need to come into some contact with the state. The lower your wage, the more likely this is. Some generalisations but if you are in this bracket, then you could be or someone well known to you is in need of an element of affordable housing, you or they need the NHS, you or they are trying to get your children into a local non fee paying school. If those services have been reduced and that reduction is seen to be because of the policies of the existing government party, you will still vote for the opposition. In this case, Labour who you feel more supports you and your current situation because you beleive they will give you a better deal. It does seem that the Corbyn story is media driven. The only people I have personally heard treating him with disdain are Tory voters I know and Labour supporters who are in very well paid work. Interestingly, at the other end of the social spectrum, again just from conversations with individuals these last few months, I hear very little about Corbyn. The working class view seems neutral on him. One by election is really too early to give an assessment. We needs 2-3 more plus the results of the elections coming up in May. A lot in the melting pot that can stir it up along the way as well. Europe, ISIS, housing crisis, NHS. A terrorist incident in this part of the world could also bloster the UKIP vote as well. |
|
By:
'twas you introduced personal abuse.
I don't believe you ever worked,this constant looking for sympathy,the tales of work across the world makes you a dreamer as do your views. As for these grave consequences well that has put me saying me prayers. |
|
By:
I don't believe you ever worked
You are entitled to believe what you want of course but do you have anything to back this belief up with ? |
|
By:
His background,he's a Pavee Point activist.
No stranger to courts either,always suing. He has threatened to sue me in the past. |
|
By:
Forgive me - I dont know what a Pavee Point activist is.
|
|
By:
That's my fault.
Pavee Point is a Dublin based organisation,it receives large swathes of tax payers money to enable them to sue those same tax payers. The are a lobby group for travellers and The Roma. They help them access benefits and bring court cases on their behalf,should some unfortunate publican decide to decline their business or ask them to leave when they start getting violent they will be sued. When they demand houses they require it in certain areas and need six or seven acres with each free house granted,this is for their horses an essential part of their tradition. |
|
By:
Thanks wildman.
|
|
By:
jumper
05 Dec 15 08:26 Joined: 17 Jun 02 | Topic/replies: 464 | Blogger: jumper's blog If those services have been reduced and that reduction is seen to be because of the policies of the existing government party, you will still vote for the opposition. In this case, Labour who you feel more supports you and your current situation because you beleive they will give you a better deal. Isn't that the whole Labour agenda in a nutshell? They seek to create a huge public sector that millions (not just 'the poor') then become reliant on. The electorate then become used to a Conservative party that seeks to wean people off state subsidies and be more self sufficient. Meanwhile the Labour party that gives them more money despite the macro implications of that, becomes their ally, and they say 'yes please, where do I sign?'. Isn't that the whole |
|
By:
Btw, these two killers in SB had legally- obtained military weapons. Do ye condone that law?
|
|
By:
What business is it of yours if the Yanks want to blow each others eyebrows off sean? Like many on the left your obsession with America is envy derived. You can't stand the fact that the greatest and most successful country man has ever known happens to be in love with something you disapprove of which is capitalism. Of course the sensible ones amongst us note you don't have much to say about some pretty dodgy regimes.
As for said Yanks it's generally swings and roundabouts in relation to guns but one thing is for certain and that is that this is true democracy in action. They wanted the right to bear arms so much to protect them from the evils the state could inflict upon them that they took the very sensible step of including it in their constitution. |
|
By:
ET, pal,
I realise ye are sore after your party got trounced and ye having taken time off here to try to aid them at home, but, please get a few facts straight: I love the USA. I don't think killers like these two should have been able to get military weapons so easily and legally. That sort of thing never helped my own country. I am nothing to do with this thing ye call the "left". And, btw, are ye behind this constant removal and censorship of my stuff on here? I'd be shocked if ye are one of the "luvvies" or whatever, but something is going on. I remember ye trying to say that I was imagining things and must have pressed the wrong button. Then, not long after ye yourself got the hump and jacked ( for a day or two) bc of the censorship. Even this post is my 2nd attempt. I don't suppose 'twill be here long.  |
|
By:
|
|
By:
to eternal victory billy eternal victory , every time you make a judgement on Jeremiah billy he comes back to give you a good slap
|
|
By:
Deep Treetop[:happy:
 |
|
By:
Sorry don't know where the happy came from
|
|
By:
keep smiling tonks,remember all this is just noise as we pass through life into heaven !Younever know the boro might get promoted again,ATB
|
|
By:
CJ,
I cannot fathom why ye are still harping on about loser Jeremy, or, indeed, loser Nige. None of those dudes will EVER hold power in GB, no matter what about the fkn bus.  Local Irishman Jim MCMahon was the winner; one reformist, ineffectual party beat all the other equally bad ones. That is a non-event. Here, yet again, are three important issues: Global Climate Change Cyber Warfare Superbugs These are three problems that threaten us all. These ye should be bothering your ar se about. See the light, and join us with the best principles. The old ways do not work. |
|
By:
|
|
By:
That is NOT the new way, CJ.
That's folk trying to run capitalism in a way that cannot work. Old Chavez did a better job, but, obviously, with all the corruption, violence and poverty it could never last. These are the REAL global issues: Global Climate Change ( Dave is over-topped) Cyber Warfare ( gchq can barely cope, bc of dave's cuts) Superbugs ( dave's mates investments in big drugs coys has meant a ridiculous over-use of anti-biotics as folk try to live up to old thatcher's silly unsutainabledream) Join the boys who will do something about it! |
|
By:
Forget the futile reformists with their silly little walls and never never schemes. They always get over-topped.
They are like King Canute. |
|
By:
There is only one real problem that is causing all of the others. The number of human beings on the planet. No politicians are willing to address that one.
|
|
By:
Hitler, Stalin and Mao had a go sageform.... no one up that standard nowadays
 |
|
By:
That is abit extreme and ISIL are doing their best in Syria but a change in tax and benefits would help. Higher rather than lower taxes on couples with children of school age. It would be dangerous to have a sudden drop in births but a 1-2% fall in each of the next 20 years worldwide would at least stabilise and then slowly reduce the population. Otherwise mass starvation on a scale we heave never witnessed is bound to happen eventually.
|
|
By:
Ah yes the warnings of Rev Malthus.
|
|
By:
Sage,
No, not yet: there is still plenty of capacity, but it will take a good system to use our planet properly. My own land had millions more folk, hundreds of years ago. That we starved and migrated was not entirely the fault of Nature. Our land actually EXPORTED FOOD to places like England during the Famine. Several in Ireland grew fat on the profit. Malthus and all that were proved wrong by history. Nowadays, western Europe is weak bc our people have a low-sperm count and are not breeding properly. |
|
By:
I can't accept that the earth can feed an unlimited number of humans. If the population continues to expand at its present rate, we will run out of food. It may not be in any of our lifetimes but it will happen. Before that we might well run out of fossil fuel but that is trivial compared to food.
|
|
By:
Actually sageform if we run out of fossil fuel our current agriculture system would collapse.
|
|
By:
Correct, but if enough people were willing to do manual work, we could still produce food on the land so long as it has not been concreted over.
|
|
By:
I feel back pain coming on.
|
|
By:
Birth rate falling like a stone already, sage, among the english "middleclasses".
Nothing ever continues at the same rate. There will be plenty of disasters, wars, and superbugs. All this was pointed out decades ago. Yes, the food we eat may have to change, but under modern capitalism, OBESITY is a bigger prob than famine. And, yes, western Europe will see a bit of hunger - for some, a novel experience. Some folk will prove more adaptable. These will be the survivors. |
|
By:
Burt Sean, When a developed country is short of food and developing countries are not willing to sell it voluntarily, war would be inevitable. We saw export embargos on rice, wheat and soya in recent years to protect domestic markets in producer countries and the only reason why food is cheap at the moment is that growing conditions have been unusually good recently. As far as birth rates are concerned, immigrant populations given generous child benefits will continue to overproduce.
|
|
By:
Sage, 'tis true that GB cannot support itself with food, despite agriculture getting record crop yields ( of admittedly sub-standard produce compared to say Ireland where the food is more natural and clean).
This is why despite what Nige and Dave may spout, the english NEED JohNny Foreigner. 'Twas ever so, since capitalism took over. IMPORTS and EXPORTS became the game, hence the importance of the ROYAL NAVY and MERCHANT NAVY. 'Twas a driving force behind your huge Empire, for which ye are now paying the price as a legacy. Yes, Catholics and mos lems have bigger families than some english folk ( huge gay and DINKY elements). Not sure about all the Chinese and Vietnamese whose takeaways feed ye, but I expect they have more than the now discontinued "one kid policy" of capitalist "red" China.  |