Important news regarding Player Points

Would you please explain how will I get

"the same generous rewards from the Player’s Club as before, including up to 40% Value Back on your monthly activity" ??

Is there any change planned for the store points? As a STT player I'm supposed to get less Player Points for the same monthly rake generated, respectively I'll get less Store points. So it looks like I'll receive arround 28% less Value back/rake back.
Please, explain if I'm wrong. But now it looks to me that BF just decreases the value back for the MTT/STT players and I don't think I'll stay here after 24th if it's so.

You also have to admire the barefaced cheek of any company posting a thread stating  LEADERBOARD ISSUES RESOLVED about a problem that has already gone on for a week, and then state :

"We are currently compiling the data for last week’s leaderboard which will be published on Monday morning at the latest, if not much sooner."

I'd say that was "still being worked on" rather than resolved.

Its not all bad news thankfully. I was pondering my prize mountain target earlier today, and calculated that to win a television I would have to spend twenty five thousand pounds in a month sports betting.

I was initially despondent as I do not have a spare  £25k to 5punk on the horses.

Then I remembered, funnily enough while despondently sitting in my living room watching sport, that I ALREADY HAVE A TELEVISION !!!

Hey Presto...problem solved.

LOL CHIPfire...your a funny man.....


Thank you support,yet again you have outdone yourself-your the Greatist

Why should tournament players get more player points than cash game players? Its just a question. I would be annoyed if i was a tounrnamnet player, nobody likes having anything taken away from them.

Because cash players only pay 5% rake while tournament players are effectively paying 9.1% rake.

Really would be good if you could use your points for something.
Get rakeback. Looks like even less of a deal for customers reading this first before putting money in.
Nice to know that could use it to lower my commission if I bothered to bet.

Have you considered allowing to use it for playing poker - buying into MTTs/SnGs/Cash Games?

Just a thought.

Charly I'm pushing them for another meet this year, and I'm pushing them for publication of the Essence formula and the Fraud data which they promised at the last meeting.

I hassled them about the Leaderboard midweek, and I also asked whether poker usage had been taken into consideration when targets were set for Prize Mountain, even though poker points don't count this year. If and when I get a response I will post feedback.

LEADERBORD STILL DOWN

@BetfairPRManager

Would you please give a short answer.
Does these changes actually mean that the Value back(store points earned) for the STT/MTT players will be lower than it is now?

If so, are you planning any changes to compensate this?

Thank you

However this is not correct. The store points are calculated by multipling the player points with the player club level.
For example, ig you have master level, then
store points = player points x5

So, for STT $1 in rake would generate 25 store points at master level. With the changes it will generate 3.6 x5 = 18 store points with master, much less worthy.

getting 250 pts will take 14 instead of 10 games that should read.

i really need to  check my posts be4 posting

@The Klup who said, "Cash player pays rake per hand though."
That's not a reasonable comparison.

Looking at my stats for this year, I have played 1297 regular STTs with an ROI of 5.43%.  I spent an average of 43.336 mins at each STT.  I would assume that the average player is a losing player and would therefore spend even less time at each table.  But to be generous I'll use a 43.5 minute average as the length of time it takes to bust out of or win an STT.

Now a player sitting at a $10 STT plays $1 rake.  An equivalent cash player sitting down with $10(100BBs) at a table where 80 hands/hour were played, would have to have a VPIP of 20% and risk an average of 17.2BBs/hand played AND have every one of those hands reach a flop in order to pay the same amount of rake as the STT player.

It gets worse when you look at the Turbo STTs.  There I have 1,104 sessions with an ROI of 3.09%.  My average time at each Turbo table is 23.033 minutes.  For an average cash game player to match that they would need to have a VPIP of 20% and risk an average of 32.6BBs/hand played and they would STILL need every one of those hands to reach a flop.

It is clear that STT players are being hit unnecessarily hard by this change.

BF/ONGAME charge 10% rake on all STT's including turbos, even the D2N and heads up are charged at 10%. So on a 30% rakeback deal, I still pay 7% for turbo games.

On other sites that admittedly dont have rakeback deals, I can find turbo games charging between 3% and 5% rake.

So with BF I pay more per game even on a good rakeback deal, I get poor customer service, a network that is prone to crashing,disconnecting once I go above 3 tables, and which cannot even get a basic leaderboard to function. I also appear to be getting shafted on the exchange promotions because I play a lot of poker, and don't sports bet much.

In their defence however, they do provide STT traffic at all hours of the day and night, and some of the worst poker players on the planet. They also sometimes manage to run decent promotions, which just about make up for the farcical ones.

The uber frustrating thing is that they have the potential to be a brilliant poker site, but the Senior Management still seem to regard the poker side of things as something they have to provide, rather than something they actually want to provide.

I started playing here after a break for the potential rewards (plus an email offering $2500 bonus). In the last 7 weeks I have gone from 0 - 37,000+ player points which is a considerable amount of rake.

Not only are they moving the goalposts and making it on the short term picture i.e how many points you earn per 100 sngs etc. but also the long term picture changes massively....

In effect it would mean adding 40% in real terms on what you need to make Master and Grand Master at the present conversion rate. To make Master after the 'adjustment' you need 19600 points not 14000. For Grand Master 84,000. I feel for the guys who are within touching distance of these levels within a 12 month period but this increase may just put it out of there reach.

Why are they doing this? Are they just plain greedy? Do they think they have had to hand out too many 'freebies' because they have too many players at Master? I would also be curious to know how many players have made Master or Grand Master at present.

I am now going to reconsider playing on here as I think it is dirty and underhand the way they have done this. How can you trust the site?

Lawslaw, whats your alias, may have seen you at the tables?

TB

After reading this thread I am no longer playing on Betfair Poker. We need a mass boycott to get things changed, it is the only way.

Have sent the following query to the promotions department in relation to Prize Mountain :

I noticed that unlike last year, poker points are  excluded in this years promotion, however poker usage has been used when setting targets. This is punishing myself, and other people who use their accounts primarily for poker twice.


My targets for the four levels are : 11,120, 6220, 4580, 2080.


The points I actually managed in October were 469 sports betting, and 2287 poker.


This was a fairly standard month for poker usage over the last 6 months, but my sports betting was slightly higher than normal as I traded off a £200 free bet with Corals on your exchange.


To set someone with an average monthly sports usage of around 400 a target of 11,120 is patently stupid, and a waste of both your time and mine. I have calculated I would have to wager in the region of £25,000, more than my annual salary, in a month, just to win a television set.


Even with my poker points added to my sports betting points I only accrued 2700 in October, less than half the requirement for the second highets prize, which is an X-box. Had poker points been included again this year, then yes, I may have been mildly tempted to increase my turnover by 120% chasing a prize.


Can somebody in the promotions department please explain why you have taken into account my poker usage when setting this target given poker points cannot be used in the promotion. Alternatively set me targets which are achievable and based on my actual spend.

@BetfairPRManager "Store points will not change as the calculation has always been calculated on 3.6 for the conversion."

You are wrong! (which is unfortunate, as you really should be the one who knows how this works)

I am at Master level in the VIP club.
Pre change, for every $1 I paid in tournament fees, I received 25 store points (5 player points x 5)
Now for every $1 I pay in tournament fees, I receive 18 store points (3.6 player points x 5)

900 player points are worth $10.
So pre change, I would pay $36 in fees to get $10 back = 27.77% "value" back
Now I have to pay $50 in fees to get $10 back = 20% back

This is bad, very bad, whatever way you try to spin it.