Kelly I don't know whether you are Jewish or what ...... But one church you worship at is the aftertiming cathedral.....In fact you should be celebrating the service.... You are that good at it....

Paulie , we all know about you , and take your comments with a large pinch of salt . Any activity I reference in relation to myself is 100% true , and if any referenced success causes people to be jealous , tough . Occasionally I back losers too , reference Ruby's  improved ( my reckoning) winner the other day  , posted on here  ,  maybe thats not allowed .

I dont attempt to back winners other than maybe about 4 times a year . I do back to trade , sometimes with the bookies when I can get on , other times taking advantage of market moves on here , including in running .  The nature of in running means that you have no time to "flag up" your selections , in that respect you live and die by the sword .  I am still alive . The only criteria I apply to betting is that if you dont win , you give up .

And if all you have to say is to try to slag off someone else , there are surely better ways to spend your time .

OK freddie .

Just as a final episode this evening , in relation to betting / trading etc , the thought crossed my mind about a friend who runs a pretty successful golf equipment operation . In our musings we joke about £300 drivers , £200 putters , etc .  And people do pay those prices , sometimes in a vain attempt to blot out their inadequacies with a club in hand --they would be better off maybe to be spending the £20 another friend ( golf pro) charges for a half hour lesson .

But after all the banter , it comes down to my friends assertion " its not what you sell the flipping clubs at , its what price you buy them for " . He spends more time at the buying operation than at the selling end , makes sense . Wonder should some of that business sense be applied to the betting scenario scene , with profitable results .

And you would know ,paulie .

I am not blowing my own trumpet , I found the way back in 2002 after backing 3 odds on losers at Punchestown , read an article by a professional gambler which had the best advice in it I ever saw , modified my betting strategy , and flourished .  I explained my basic strategy to anyone and everyone , most looked at me and did nothing , a few followed my example and as far as I know also won . I cant help it if people could not see the golden goose opened up by betfair . Have posted something similar before , NO-ONE asked any questions , which proved to me that a) people dont listen with the 2 ears they have , they prefer to use the one mouth they have  , or b) they did not believe me . I can live with that . People dont get second chances with me  , its all duck or no dinner , one time only .

The uncle I referred to previously also had certain basic tenets of faith , the first was "dont forget , nearly everyone is lazy and will take the easy way out " . He believed in hard work , and the harder you work the more successful you will be ( a la Gary Player ). I am a hard worker , always was , still am , and will always be DV .

The best bookies I ever came across were all hard workers , the most successful worked 16 hours a day , every day , the length and breadth of this ( small) country of ours . Adrenalin fuelled him  probably , stood at Fairyhouse the day he got married .

My betting nowadays is less than 10% of what it used to be  , largely classified as hobby these days , but I still know how to win even if its buttons relatively . And if you are betting with their money its a whole lot easier than chasing losses .

The interview that one of the Limerick papers did with JP is worth reading . When I read it  , I re read it several times and digested it fully . I remember JP when he started up on course , researched him a bit as you do before betting with him , and grew to admire his approach , civility , and lack of displeasure if you won off him . I knew that it was only sums , which he is good at , for every winner in a race there are x losers , some bookies seemed to think they should never have to pay out . Percentages . JP admits he is addicted to winning  , thats his buzz .  Betting winnings are of no consequence to him any more , and he probably supports the racing industry to a huge tune every year given what owning horses involves cost wise . And he never closed accounts like the current bean counters .

Nearly every race every day each horse fluctuates in price by about 20% . If you cant squeeze out 1% profit on most horse on average that you spot you dont know your horses or your markets . Add in arbing ( where you can get on ) , profit from in running where you have to know horse running patterns and jockeys or cricketers ability to handle conditions and golfers who choke ( hate the word , but often pays) , etc etc . But greed kills most people , I always leave something in it for the other guy , its a basic stock exchange philosophy , and guaranteed profit is better than pie in the sky . Little and often works better than hit and hope in my experience .

And paulie , if you cant cut the mustard and win , give it up .

The sort of short and to the point response we have come to expect from the Kelly!

One Open I traded at least 40 players in the place market , profit on each , small no doubt from memory , but tot it up for 40 plus .


100% success on 40+ bets in a single competition and you are now betting as just a hobby?

I have to laugh when punters call for bookies to be regulated. If a punter backs a horse at 6/1 and its freely available on line at 14's then surely no more can be said on the matter. (I suspect JP knew for every shrewdie there were twenty mugs including some of his closest associates when it came to punting) Reminds me of "the war on drugs"-keeps an army of people employed I suppose, half a black race in jail and the jackboot on the neck of southern dominions and all for whose benefit?

Reminscent of a certain Michael Winner;

I was having bweakfast at the Witz with my vewy vewy vewy vewy good friend, the highly successful actor, Sir Roger Moore. We were joined by my gweat friend, the vewy vewy vewy vewy well known and incredibly wealthy movie star, Sir Michael Caine.

Accept your point pa about the premium charge being a limiting factor .  Does not apply to me , for reasons stated in previous posts . And you can swop profit for loss  in other exchanges where there is no premium charge if you want , where there is a will there is a way .

The markets are a lot more "efficient" than they used to be looking at it from a bookies / odds makers point of view .  There is still room for manoeuvre though .  I quoted a 20% fluctuation in odds movements as regular on average horse race.  For The Open  2015 which I also quoted figures for , Rory has been as high as 10.5 , and as low as 5 . Thats 137.5% fluctuation to date , he is only one of 156 and he is the market leader . You could have 100% plus profit on Rory alone , involving also the least exposure bank wise as he is ( and probably will be ) the shortest price .

Most of my activity is based on pure logic , price fluctuations , market movers , chokers ( golfers and horses plus plus ) etc etc . Any port in a storm , all offers considered . I liken betting to shopping , you buy your ( good) butter at £2 when its on offer as against £2.79, M & S £10 dinners include a semi decent bottle of wine worth a fiver and the other 3 elements are excellent and  worth well over the residual fiver .  But you need a freezer ( equals bank ) for storage and the will to seek value . Which eliminates the lazy as players . But there is always value out there,  money / trade makes the world go around  , finding it is the trick , like my friend's buying policy for golf equipment .

There is a brilliant book out there somewhere about making money / business concepts , read it many years ago , too late unfortunately to apply any of the principles in it to my life . The title Rich Boy , Poor Boy springs to mind , but I might be wrong . Family members tell me Richard Branson's book is also excellent . Principles contained in such publications often translate to other aspects of life . But you have to read , get the information , dissect it , ignore the impracticalities , and apply rigid discipline . Successful betting in my lifetime experience needs rigid discipline .  If you aint got the discipline ability , forget it other than for a bit of craic .

I have always been an admirer of Ray Kroc too  , especially since he was well into his 50's before he "discovered" an exploitable secret . Mcdonalds are the biggest ( private) property owners in the world I believe .

I liken betting to shopping , you buy your ( good) butter at £2 when its on offer as against £2.79, M & S £10 dinners include a semi decent bottle of wine worth a fiver and the other 3 elements are excellent and  worth well over the residual fiver .

No, we still don't get it.  Can u explain it to us again like we are imbeclies.

You are an unbelieveable pain in the b0ll0x.

Ozymandius who is forcing you to read Kelly's posts,I get they are a bit long for Rocketfingers but they are not compulsory.

I could say the same for my replies.

You are probably right , tell the king , I read about it a long time ago , which prompted me to visit it .  I like Michael Caine , sensible attitude to life .

If Ozymandius frequented it more than likely a Jack The Ripper.

Ate there in October. Food is quite nice in fairness. Michael Caine was in from the beginning though likely just as a name front from what I know.

Have rarely eaten in Doonybrook but I would guess O' Connells or The Mulberry Tree. They are two well known spots though I haven't been in either.

O Connels rings a bell . Think the name changed from when I lived near that part of Dublin a long time ago ( before Dublin 4 was Dublin 4) . And not a rindabout in sight .

Off for luncheon, Borneo, the good weather has happily returned.

Delighted to read that you enjoy my posts.  Am very fond of the Jewish race, and would know most of the Dublin Jewish families. For all their foibles, their hospitality is second to none, they are all massively interested in life and driven to succeed.  Very admirable imo.

You think of yourself as a Persil user but your prejudices are deeper n1 Wildman

Wildman described it better then i ever could at 12.20 Ozy. P.S hope you enjoyed your luncheon .

IM quite fond of Leek and spud soap myself Ozy, made from fresh organic vegetables only .

Leek and potato soup, Frank, that sounds quite exotic.  I once had a potato pizza in Johannesburg, I think my (white) South African friends are still laughing at the good of it.