Meant to put up Dec Meagher preview earlier..forgot.

Backed him as a result of it, but done it in 365, where they have decided to cull another acc. Meant to put rest of stake on elsewhere, but after roaring the fuc ker home I find that I didn't, and only had buttons on it

Insult to injury, I think Druids Nephew would have done the business. Was absolutely tanking. Soft fall.

Great shout PF. Was humming and hawing about backing him but left him run in the end. I was bit sickened when The Druids Nephew came down as he was main bet. Some soft money picked up on the "Not To Complete" market so good race all in all.

brought down he was Callit, think it may have been the Canal Turn 1st time

WD PF.

Thanks.

Hope you lose Oz

Well done winners , anyone notice Ruby waving them round the fence...

I saw that W/r FAIR PLAY to him, but not fair to the bookies,    The SP% of today’s Grand National market totalled a whopping 165 per cent, compared to 151 per cent last year and meaning anyone who placed a winning bet at SP was probably substantially out of pocket compared to those who took a morning price.

165% is a grotesque figure . Governments have allowed "credit" agencies to charge exhorbitant interest rates on "loans" without regulating them properly .  Think there were moves more recently to limit the excesses that were prevalent ( and legal ) in the high street .

Increasingly betting / bookmaking requires PROPER legislation . Fair to bookie and punter alike .

Traditionally bookies hid behind the fact that betting debts were not enforceable in law  , it was essentially their argument against legislation on their product . New era , try getting "credit" with any high street bookie  , does not exist , need your paypal or equivalent whatever .

Bookies need to be regulated , and that includes legislation over the odds offered . Anyone seen a race where the bookie could not win ?


Bookmakers , as with anyone in business , cannot exist for a sustained period without generating profit . The business of "making a book" was based essentially on supply and demand , with in built profitability associated with percentages above 100% . There needs to be a margin , but if the punters are being ripped off regularly as evidenced by todays Grand National figures , someone in power needs to have a look at a fairer system .

Hardly.  No one is forced to have a bet.

Went for a coffee in a petrol station on the way to the races.

280% overround they have on a cup of coffee.

Coffee machines are the FOBT's of the catering trade . A couple of years ago the golf club changed their supplier , a coffee costs the club maximum 15p and sells ( a lot) at £1.60 approx . That year it "made" 14 grand approx .  Green fees would only raise about 3 times that in a year , everybody talks about green fees for visitors and how much disruption it causes to the members , cofee machine sits quietly in the corner !

Wouldn't worry me if I was Ozy . What relevance that has to a purely factual post about economic realities exemplifies the shallow nature of a lot of your comments .

The coffee machine reference is akin to a story often told by one of my uncles who was very astute in business and with money . Annual general meeting , accountant presenting figures , 4 million to upgrade the computer system , and we are spending an extra £10,000 upgrading our toilet rolls in staff toilets .  Uproar , half an hour debate about toilet rolls , nothing about the 4 million .  Smiles in the boardroom , they knew their audience !

Attempt to deflect the Jewish comment Ozy ?  Like the toilet rolls .

For the record my uncle was honoured by the Queen ( which should endear his memory to the likes of you Ozy and maybe silence the snipish comments ) , and headed up a number of business oriented commerce organisations . Which was unusual for a life long devout catholic born and bred in West Belfast . He never worked anywhere but in his native city  and despite the acknowledged discrimination prevalent in most business and commercial circles he moved in  , he was very successful .  No idea about betting though .  And true to his Gaelic roots ( but quietly ).

Attempting to trivialise Ozy , and attempting to involve workrider who has nothing to do with the situation ? Sometime it might be worth  your while giving credit to someone who benefitted society in adverse circumstances .

Trivialising any sensible debate Ozy , at which you are adept . A sure sign you have lost any argument/ debate extant .

I like it!  I have huge respect for the Jewish faith, not without their foibles but so much to admire.

I can't see what Ozy has said wrong here, asked a question, then Kelly started using threatening language towards him. I believe there is some jewish blood on my side and Ozy has talked about his respect for it to me a number of times in the recent past.

An astute race, culturally refined, hard working, driven and smart, Rock, whats not to like?

Shalom.

Rocketfingers , Ozy has used the "jewish" reference before in "debate " with me .  He knows better than anyone which church I worship in and my roots which are a matter of record to anyone who actually reads my posts . So to reference another religion in relation to me is disingenuous .

Having made that statement , Ozy is now trying to prove how much he admires Jews . Perhaps I should be turning his question around now on the basis that it was an attempt by Ozy to attach his imprimatur to me .  Now that would be a first !

Nothing I have ever posted Ozy would stand up in court as evidence I was Jewish  , not that it would worry me . Enter the disingenuous post  ,  not a genuine question , maybe that is too subtle for some of our readers / posters . It is a figment of your imagination , just like the Monaghan / Cavan reference , counties with which I have absolutely zero contact other than occasional visits for football purposes .

Ozy , part of your "posting" technique is to try to tag people with references which are purely imaginary on your part .  Why anyone does that regularly is open to question . 

I had Jewish friends when I was growing up , Belfast had quite a large , well respected Jewish community once upon a time  , decimated now , nearly all left via education "abroad"  , followed by marriage "abroad" , and avoidance of our "troubles " in the North . Mores the pity , I like a polyglot society .

If you think that question deserves an answer Ozy I would be worried about you .