There was a bit of chat in the thread about The Curragh being a stiffer track than Epsom.
Over 12f Epsom rises 134 feet from the 12f start to about the 6f pole.
The 12f start at The Curragh is about 104 metres above sea level, the highest point along the 12f course about 112 metres.
The finish is about 114 metres above sea level (114-104 = about 33 feet of a rise in the Irish Derby).
Of course, at Epsom the field also travels downhill from the 6f pole.
Anyone who has ridden a bicycle knows it is very tiring to climb big hills, even if you freewheel down the other side.
The 134 feet climb (41 metres) at Epsom is significant.

A poster quoted Michael Bell saying The Curragh was a greater stamina test.
The standard 12f times of the two courses say otherwise.

I tend to disregard trainers'comments.
How many times have you heard a trainer of an English Derby runner say "he didn't come down the hill".
You would expect to find a half dozen horses stranded at the top of the hill after the race.
Did you ever see that?  Me neither.

I believe there is a 29 feet rise at The Curragh over the 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 104m at the start to 113m at the finish = +9m)
That mile is slightly more of a stamina test than the Newmarket 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 29m at the start to 33m at the finish = +4m)

You can check this by looking at topographic maps on the internet.
I like to check thing myself, not listen to people.

The Irish Derby is in my opinion a weak Group 1 that should have its *status looked at.

Delashay, I received a PM a couple of weeks ago urging me to read what you have been espousing about conspiracies among other subjects. Reluctantly I have and I doubt I have read so much deluded rubbish about Racing and betting since the Forum was born.

You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.

You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!

I wonder how many disagree with the above?

If you don’t like me don’t read me, tell the person who pm’d you that too.

Now disappear as you have done for such a long and welcomed time.

And he had shuffled it by running his Derby horse in the Dante which isn’t the norm for AOB.

So thanks for your critique but you can poke it sideways.

So come on big boys with your judgments it was there for you all.

Ya bunch a

Report• Quote • Block User formoftheace • June 28, 2026 5:26 PM BST
Del,you’ve got him on a string……

Do you think Tampax is a good nickname?

Delbert is thicker than an elephants todger

'Delashay', no. It's an insult to women!

I make you right impossible.

Thanks for your first hand knowledge MJK of the tracks there, it’s difficult gage and there are various opinions on the matter.

As for times they aren’t something that I use in racing.

Years back I wrote to ATR and James Willoby explained why miles and other races are timed seconds faster in places such as the States.

With the rail movements etc I don’t find it reliable unless they are same day, distances etc….

Rico-Dangleflaps • July 1, 2026 9:33 AM BST
he also said Constitution Hill won at Chester..had the whole thread removed out of embarrassment

I’m so embarrassed of my blatant mistype!

Thread is still here and you’re still writing, thinking and posting threads about me whilst I’m doing other things!

Puppet master really has lost control. 100%

A bigger Spade required for the loon

27 yo Blonde,why white women go to the Notting Hill Carnival and repeated homophobic insults from Delbert.
Skin thicker than a Rhino

Delashay 30 Jun 26 10:09
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.

Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.

Delashay 24 Jun 26 18:12
Mbappe is over rated

And another view of the test that Curragh provides

The Curragh’s Unique Challenge

The physical test presented by the Curragh is part of what makes the Irish Derby such a definitive milestone for three-year-olds. Contested over a gruelling one mile and four furlongs, the course demands far more than raw, unadulterated speed. The final quarter of a mile features a steady, uphill climb that can completely expose any horse lacking genuine stamina or tactical discipline.

It is this specific terrain that often plays into the hands of the Irish trainers. The domestic racing programme is heavily geared towards testing endurance from an early stage, meaning local runners are frequently better prepared to handle the punishing final straight.

https://horse-canada.com/magazine/business/can-irelands-racing-dominance-continue-curragh-2026-irish-derby-preview/

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I’ve been hammered for calling it a stiffer test, which I’d said was a mistype, there’s no doubt that it is a stiff test and I was correct in saying that this would benefit the fav and that Epsom wasn’t his track.

If you’d ever written as much pre race as I have here then you might have made a mistype. Fact is I was correct about the Curragh suiting him because it is a stiff test of stamina.


Delashay • June 28, 2026 1:07 PM BST
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.

Why? :  It needed a very strong gallop set at Chester, it went straight over 1m 4 1/2F first time out unlike the other Derby horses who went 1m 2f then stepped up.

I never felt that Epsom would be his track even if the going was good, his sister Giselle flopped there in the Oaks the year before.

I see Moore said the quicker going will suit today which makes even more of a mockery of him being a non runner!

"Obviously there was a lot of controversy around Benvenuto Cellini being deemed a non-runner at Epsom," said Moore. "He’s going to be back on nicer ground and that will make a significant difference to him. He’s had two disappointing runs in his life and both of them were on slower ground, so hopefully he’ll be a lot happier on the quicker surface."

They knew that he’d not like conditions and maybe the track but still supposedly ran him.

With his obvious stamina credentials mentioned above, * the stiff Curragh test should be more to his liking than Epsom.

I’m not backing Christmas Day but would like to see him confirm form, going into the Derby DD had said that on pedigree he might not like soft.

He form on good ground, the first up race where he carried a penalty has been franked, but I’m not going to lose my money won on him in the event of an AOB stitch up there today.

Penzance had said that 3’s looked short a while back and his price made no appeal back then and doesn’t today.

Stop digging,you non betting,loon.
You were wrong but lack the honesty to admit it.
Little wonder that you live alone

I called the winner pre race gave the reasons why, case closed.

Hang onto a mistype if you’re that desperate to think you have one over on me, you don’t.

I’ll out race read you any day and those who’ve had digs.

I’ve posted a very good bet, sorry I can’t do multiples on the exchange!

But,not a single bet on here?
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