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this doesnt look the greatest rerun imo and the epsom version may not have been a vintage renewal either but it is what it is i suppose , aiden runs 4 with ryan perhaps suprisingly sticking with epsom fav benito cellini who had excuses at epsom but im not convinced the stalls mix up was responsible for the distance btn at epsom ,the derby looked bang average to my mind and similar to a few derbys the past few years he may still win but short enough imo.
raheeb is unbeaten 2 from 2 and could be anything but also short enough. one who could have been underestimated and who looks to have a similar profile to raheeb ie lightly raced and progressive but can be backed at much bigger odds is the hannons bunyola bay just the 3 runs and progressing as he steps up in trip 2 wins form 3 runs stated out over 6f on debut and winning his last race a biggish field sales race at gowran in good style staying on strongly the step up another 2f could suit and on lines with hardy boy may not be much between him and todays fav but the hannon horse is a much bigger price today .
selection bunyola bay 66/1 ew win places on here.good luck opinions encouraged.
raheeb is unbeaten 2 from 2 and could be anything but also short enough. one who could have been underestimated and who looks to have a similar profile to raheeb ie lightly raced and progressive but can be backed at much bigger odds is the hannons bunyola bay just the 3 runs and progressing as he steps up in trip 2 wins form 3 runs stated out over 6f on debut and winning his last race a biggish field sales race at gowran in good style staying on strongly the step up another 2f could suit and on lines with hardy boy may not be much between him and todays fav but the hannon horse is a much bigger price today .
selection bunyola bay 66/1 ew win places on here.good luck opinions encouraged.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/jul/11/irish-oaks-curragh-sariska-mid...
A stiffer track, hang onto me calling it a stiffer stamina test but take your thoughts to M Bell who’d deal with you like he did the person on the gallops when on his hack 
Dear Dippy 
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2009-07-12/curragh/57338/darley-irish-oaks-group-1
Oh it was good to yielding and still a tougher test!
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2009-07-12/curragh/57338/darley-irish-oaks-group-1
Oh it was good to yielding and still a tougher test!
All that means is that Bell and yourself are clueless,Delbert.
I will repeat,that the standard times for Epsom for 12F is 2.35.6
The standard time for the Curragh is 2.31.9.
Is that clear enough,Tard?
I will repeat,that the standard times for Epsom for 12F is 2.35.6
The standard time for the Curragh is 2.31.9.
Is that clear enough,Tard?
Thanks for the confirmation that the winner today is in fact a big old boat that needed a stamina test.
Oh and that you’re full of it, never to discuss anything because you’re like Tomas with Jerry!
Oh and that you’re full of it, never to discuss anything because you’re like Tomas with Jerry!
BTW,The going is irrelevant to "standard times".
Stop clutching at straws,you Autistic loon
Stop clutching at straws,you Autistic loon
Funny Miday was beaten further at the Curragh as Bell expected
Delashay • June 28, 2026 6:54 PM BST
"The Curragh is a much stiffer track than Epsom and there will be much more of an emphasis on stamina, with the ground likely to have some cut and prove quite testing," Bell said.
Try again, apply again next time, but the position is now closed.
"The Curragh is a much stiffer track than Epsom and there will be much more of an emphasis on stamina, with the ground likely to have some cut and prove quite testing," Bell said.
Try again, apply again next time, but the position is now closed.
Moore was so far adrift at the off I thought he was stitching up supporters of Ben. The old dog Magnier was at The Curragh. He's against geldings running in The ARC for the reason of breeding alone.
Who's responsible for this decision by the French then? Coolmore themselves for "hiding" their 3 yr old "champion" colts eg City Of Troy choosing America over the race.
An innocuous win treble has paid dividend at 19/1. It was jolly nice too. The runner-up Christmas Day may go for The Leger. He's not ground dependent either.
Who's responsible for this decision by the French then? Coolmore themselves for "hiding" their 3 yr old "champion" colts eg City Of Troy choosing America over the race.
An innocuous win treble has paid dividend at 19/1. It was jolly nice too. The runner-up Christmas Day may go for The Leger. He's not ground dependent either.
I don't give a flying about what he said,cretin.
The standard times are what I stated and are proof
The standard times are what I stated and are proof
Delashay JJun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 19:07
Thanks for the confirmation that the winner today is in fact a big old boat that needed a stamina test.
so dellanobber adds that after its won...if beat his reply 'told you so'
pmsl WAC
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 19:07
Thanks for the confirmation that the winner today is in fact a big old boat that needed a stamina test.
so dellanobber adds that after its won...if beat his reply 'told you so'
pmsl WAC
Congratulations Impossible I’m pleased for you, you’d persisted backing these runts for a while and duly got your day 
Anyone notice a trend? Irons is roasted again then Mr I live by a school appears!
When there’s less to see from the living room window I suppose it’s easier to run multiple accounts!
What it really shows is,tards like Delbert would argue that black is white rather than admit they are wrong.
A "Big Old Boat" sums the aftertiming King up perfectly
A "Big Old Boat" sums the aftertiming King up perfectly
Cheers 'Delashay'. I've used some of the winnings to buy a Shark Chill Pill personal fan to use on The Underground. The next purchase will be a mobile air con unit when the weather is freezing. I think the UK heatwave will be the norm in the Summer.
I hope Bow Echo retains his unbeaten record in The Sussex. I also think AOB / Coolmore will not dare try to embarrass themselves again.
Where was Mr Soumillon, engagement in France?
I hope Bow Echo retains his unbeaten record in The Sussex. I also think AOB / Coolmore will not dare try to embarrass themselves again.
Where was Mr Soumillon, engagement in France?
Impossible are you back to betting on Irish racing again after saying some time ago you never bet on it?
uptheirons • June 28, 2026 7:13 PM BST
Autistic cretins can never be wrong,DelbertLaugh
Autistic cretins can never be wrong,DelbertLaugh
Ironside averaging 22 posts a day, with a total of over 10K posts in just over a year.
30 posts on this thread alone, and was posting on the site after midnight.
M3ntal elf issues a possibility.Appears to have no life outside this anonymous forum.
Welfare check required mods?>
30 posts on this thread alone, and was posting on the site after midnight.
M3ntal elf issues a possibility.Appears to have no life outside this anonymous forum.
Welfare check required mods?>
plenty seem to inhabit the forum 18hrs every day..most dont even use the exchange to bet..a life of inconsequencial woffling..
Never mind about your cretinous insults,Leif.
Care to make a statement regarding which Course is a stiffer test of stamina or,is that above your understanding?
Care to make a statement regarding which Course is a stiffer test of stamina or,is that above your understanding?
put the crack pipe down, walk away from your device and give ya head a wobble.
Consider having a day off ffs
Consider having a day off ffs
DWP,Crack pipe and homosexual insults but,no answer to my question to the loon,Leif
'It won't be a real race anymore' - John Magnier
When I saw this I thighs that he was talking about the Irish Derby!
When I saw this I thighs that he was talking about the Irish Derby!
Where was Mr Soumillon, engagement in France?
Yes he rode two winners at Saint - Cloud yesterday a nice 2yr old filly for Head Jr, Woot Woot
(Head is having a good time with his 2yr olds) has one in the dark blue silks like Pour Moi called Avec Toi. Whose form was franked in the colts race by Ciceron for Fabre.
And Pearled Majesty in a G2 Eugene Adam won last year by Daryz.
Was 9/16 in the Jockey Club.
Only four runners 3 from Fabre, the game is in trouble with these turnouts.
Action could surely of ran here?
Yes he rode two winners at Saint - Cloud yesterday a nice 2yr old filly for Head Jr, Woot Woot
(Head is having a good time with his 2yr olds) has one in the dark blue silks like Pour Moi called Avec Toi. Whose form was franked in the colts race by Ciceron for Fabre.
And Pearled Majesty in a G2 Eugene Adam won last year by Daryz.
Was 9/16 in the Jockey Club.
Only four runners 3 from Fabre, the game is in trouble with these turnouts.
Action could surely of ran here?
Thanks 'Delashay', I thought he'd have been shunned for putting his foot in his mouth at the Appeal.
Yes, Action was not running on merit to achieve the best place possible for his supporters. He was being used as the pacesetter for the other AOB / Coolmore runners. This is clearly and blatantly team tactic.
Yes, Action was not running on merit to achieve the best place possible for his supporters. He was being used as the pacesetter for the other AOB / Coolmore runners. This is clearly and blatantly team tactic.
No not shunned, apparently he was keen to keep the ride on the colt in the Jockey Club but had the commitment to ride Hawk Mountain already.
Many on here have cited the reason for AOB running so many horses in a race down to having so many in his stable. I’d said that he hadn’t any entries for the race yesterday.
It was a Group 2 there for the taking and you’d think that a horse who ran second in the Dante and was beaten only 1L by Bow Echo could have his chance instead of acting as a hare.
The fan sounds like a good investment, can’t imagine using the Underground in this heat.
I’ve seen that both Causeway and Hawk Mountain have entries for the Germany derby at the weekend. They’d contested win and you’re in for it.
No mention of this on the post when discussing the Eclipse at the weekend on the RP.
Many on here have cited the reason for AOB running so many horses in a race down to having so many in his stable. I’d said that he hadn’t any entries for the race yesterday.
It was a Group 2 there for the taking and you’d think that a horse who ran second in the Dante and was beaten only 1L by Bow Echo could have his chance instead of acting as a hare.
The fan sounds like a good investment, can’t imagine using the Underground in this heat.
I’ve seen that both Causeway and Hawk Mountain have entries for the Germany derby at the weekend. They’d contested win and you’re in for it.
No mention of this on the post when discussing the Eclipse at the weekend on the RP.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
when was the last time a a 'big old boat' won a gr1?
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
when was the last time a a 'big old boat' won a gr1?
I think CooLmore should stop producing too many horses in an attempt to find another Frankel during the time of the lads. Galileo may have been a very good sire, but no prodigy himself. Similarly, his offspring.They have been nothing special including the Derby winners. I remember not so long ago too many greyhounds were bred with only a handful of them winners.
Con River is a shortie for The Eclipse at the weekend in the absence of Ombudsman, the highest rated 10f horse. I hope his 'layers' have not been badly compromised by the horsey antics of AOB / Coolmore.
Con River is a shortie for The Eclipse at the weekend in the absence of Ombudsman, the highest rated 10f horse. I hope his 'layers' have not been badly compromised by the horsey antics of AOB / Coolmore.
Yesterday at 3:45pm
Beat a horse that won another Group 1 but only in name at 2, has had 7 starts for 2 wins - Pierre Bonnard. His Leger Horse.
Only beaten 2L yesterday.
If that ain’t a boat then I’m not sure what is?
Ryan Moore :
"When it's windy here, you're always a little bit unsure what can happen but his class came through. Aidan's horses are trained to handle a high tempo, so when you get that sort of pace, the best horses come to the fore."
Race was set up for him to win and could only put the distance on them.
Beat a horse that won another Group 1 but only in name at 2, has had 7 starts for 2 wins - Pierre Bonnard. His Leger Horse.
Only beaten 2L yesterday.
If that ain’t a boat then I’m not sure what is?
Ryan Moore :
"When it's windy here, you're always a little bit unsure what can happen but his class came through. Aidan's horses are trained to handle a high tempo, so when you get that sort of pace, the best horses come to the fore."
Race was set up for him to win and could only put the distance on them.
*4:30 pm
If the race was worth sponsoring Budweiser would still put their name to it.
If the race was worth sponsoring Budweiser would still put their name to it.
Ben is nothing special. I think he's a galloper and lacking acceleration. He'll not beat Calandagan or Ombudsman over 10f or Golden Horn, Jack Hobbs or even High Chaparral over 12f, I firmly believe.
The second in had suspect stamina and Coolmore decided to expose it and it worked
Just looking to see where Golden Horn, Jack Hobbs and High Chaparal are entered, to see if Impossible123 is right and Ben is not good enough to beat them.
Curragh execs slapping themselves on the back for the extra few hundred who attended this year. All to do with them apparatus and not a mention of the weather. Of course if it was p***ing down rain all weekend they would've been all over that as the reason for a poor attendance.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
when was the last time a a 'big old boat' won a gr1?
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
when was the last time a a 'big old boat' won a gr1?
Keep plugging away Ringo, share where I said the boat wouldn’t win!
The term Big Boat describes why he didn’t win at Epsom or was ever likely to do so as I’d said after the Chester Vase. Whereas you called him the winner of the real Derby!
Want a reminder of that or is it still bugging you? Eating you up that I backed the winner at 20/1 wrote about it and the reasons for why! Yet you knew better or so you thought!
The term Big Boat describes why he didn’t win at Epsom or was ever likely to do so as I’d said after the Chester Vase. Whereas you called him the winner of the real Derby!
Want a reminder of that or is it still bugging you? Eating you up that I backed the winner at 20/1 wrote about it and the reasons for why! Yet you knew better or so you thought!
*never
Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.
Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.
Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.
They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.
Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!
Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.
Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.
Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.
They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.
Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!
*never
Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.
Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.
Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.
They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.
Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!
Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.
Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.
Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.
They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.
Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!
ive no doubt wotsoever had been not won the irish derby ewe would have been posting 'I TOLD YOU SO'
a big old boat doesnt win a gr1..simples..
tell me again why didnt ewe enter george b's ascot tipping comp? the self proclaimed forum equine expert..ewe would have been a short price to win..
no! you on the fence that mutch your árse id full of spelks...get away from the forum for 10 mins ya sill leak húnt..go outside smell the fresh air.
a big old boat doesnt win a gr1..simples..
tell me again why didnt ewe enter george b's ascot tipping comp? the self proclaimed forum equine expert..ewe would have been a short price to win..
no! you on the fence that mutch your árse id full of spelks...get away from the forum for 10 mins ya sill leak húnt..go outside smell the fresh air.
Delashay 30 Jun 26 10:09
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
didnt realise Constitution Hill ran at chester..thought track would have been a tad tight for it.
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
didnt realise Constitution Hill ran at chester..thought track would have been a tad tight for it.
Keep plugging away and letting it eat you up, guess you have lots of time on your hands now it’s summer hold time!
You look like your user names a big child.
With a grudge because you got it wrong, Hill was clearly a mistype.
Now go amuse yourself watching Telly Tubbies or something of the ilk that matches your IQ.
With a grudge because you got it wrong, Hill was clearly a mistype.
Now go amuse yourself watching Telly Tubbies or something of the ilk that matches your IQ.
Delbert stated that the Curragh 12F is a stiffer test than 12F at Epsom
Autistics are never wrong
Autistics are never wrong
Rico-Dangleflaps • July 1, 2026 9:33 AM BST
he also said Constitution Hill won at Chester..had the whole thread removed out of embarrassment
I’m so embarrassed of my blatant mistype!
Thread is still here and you’re still writing, thinking and posting threads about me whilst I’m doing other things!
Puppet master really has lost control. 100%
he also said Constitution Hill won at Chester..had the whole thread removed out of embarrassment
I’m so embarrassed of my blatant mistype!
Thread is still here and you’re still writing, thinking and posting threads about me whilst I’m doing other things!
Puppet master really has lost control. 100%
There was a bit of chat in the thread about The Curragh being a stiffer track than Epsom.
Over 12f Epsom rises 134 feet from the 12f start to about the 6f pole.
The 12f start at The Curragh is about 104 metres above sea level, the highest point along the 12f course about 112 metres.
The finish is about 114 metres above sea level (114-104 = about 33 feet of a rise in the Irish Derby).
Of course, at Epsom the field also travels downhill from the 6f pole.
Anyone who has ridden a bicycle knows it is very tiring to climb big hills, even if you freewheel down the other side.
The 134 feet climb (41 metres) at Epsom is significant.
A poster quoted Michael Bell saying The Curragh was a greater stamina test.
The standard 12f times of the two courses say otherwise.
I tend to disregard trainers'comments.
How many times have you heard a trainer of an English Derby runner say "he didn't come down the hill".
You would expect to find a half dozen horses stranded at the top of the hill after the race.
Did you ever see that? Me neither.
I believe there is a 29 feet rise at The Curragh over the 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 104m at the start to 113m at the finish = +9m)
That mile is slightly more of a stamina test than the Newmarket 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 29m at the start to 33m at the finish = +4m)
You can check this by looking at topographic maps on the internet.
I like to check thing myself, not listen to people.
Over 12f Epsom rises 134 feet from the 12f start to about the 6f pole.
The 12f start at The Curragh is about 104 metres above sea level, the highest point along the 12f course about 112 metres.
The finish is about 114 metres above sea level (114-104 = about 33 feet of a rise in the Irish Derby).
Of course, at Epsom the field also travels downhill from the 6f pole.
Anyone who has ridden a bicycle knows it is very tiring to climb big hills, even if you freewheel down the other side.
The 134 feet climb (41 metres) at Epsom is significant.
A poster quoted Michael Bell saying The Curragh was a greater stamina test.
The standard 12f times of the two courses say otherwise.
I tend to disregard trainers'comments.
How many times have you heard a trainer of an English Derby runner say "he didn't come down the hill".
You would expect to find a half dozen horses stranded at the top of the hill after the race.
Did you ever see that? Me neither.
I believe there is a 29 feet rise at The Curragh over the 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 104m at the start to 113m at the finish = +9m)
That mile is slightly more of a stamina test than the Newmarket 2000 Guineas mile (elevation about 29m at the start to 33m at the finish = +4m)
You can check this by looking at topographic maps on the internet.
I like to check thing myself, not listen to people.
Thanks for your input Kincsem, unfortunately people who are disgruntled hang onto the slightest word that might be proved wrong or incorrect.
It doesn’t phase me which is the stiffer test, but I’ve heard others describe the Curragh as being stiffer, either way it’s a stiff test and the winner needed that, as was shown by him running in the Chester Vase.
People haven’t given credit where it’s due for me pointing out that he’d not like Epsom as his sister hadn’t.
No one in the racing press pointed that out or even thought of it.
And calling a horse a big old boat means I don’t want to back it at the odds, you obviously have difficulty in reading and understanding me.
The odds of 3/1 AP that were discussed with only Penzance as no others engaged or gave their thoughts had gone.
I’d written that the track should, the stamina test, tactics and going were all in his favour.
No where on the tread did I say the big boat wouldn’t win, beating Pierre Bonnard 2L in a Group 1 confirms the tag was right.
Someone backed a winner and thinks it’s Pegasus!
Carry on splitting hairs about things that I don’t over care about.
The Irish Derby is in my opinion a weak Group 1 that should have its stays looked at at.
It doesn’t phase me which is the stiffer test, but I’ve heard others describe the Curragh as being stiffer, either way it’s a stiff test and the winner needed that, as was shown by him running in the Chester Vase.
People haven’t given credit where it’s due for me pointing out that he’d not like Epsom as his sister hadn’t.
No one in the racing press pointed that out or even thought of it.
And calling a horse a big old boat means I don’t want to back it at the odds, you obviously have difficulty in reading and understanding me.
The odds of 3/1 AP that were discussed with only Penzance as no others engaged or gave their thoughts had gone.
I’d written that the track should, the stamina test, tactics and going were all in his favour.
No where on the tread did I say the big boat wouldn’t win, beating Pierre Bonnard 2L in a Group 1 confirms the tag was right.
Someone backed a winner and thinks it’s Pegasus!
Carry on splitting hairs about things that I don’t over care about.
The Irish Derby is in my opinion a weak Group 1 that should have its stays looked at at.
The Irish Derby is in my opinion a weak Group 1 that should have its *status looked at.
Delashay, I received a PM a couple of weeks ago urging me to read what you have been espousing about conspiracies among other subjects. Reluctantly I have and I doubt I have read so much deluded rubbish about Racing and betting since the Forum was born.
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
Delashay, I received a PM a couple of weeks ago urging me to read what you have been espousing about conspiracies among other subjects. Reluctantly I have and I doubt I have read so much deluded rubbish about Racing and betting since the Forum was born.
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
Delashay, I received a PM a couple of weeks ago urging me to read what you have been espousing about conspiracies among other subjects. Reluctantly I have and I doubt I have read so much deluded rubbish about Racing and betting since the Forum was born.
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
You are clueless and unable to accept that the majority opinion has proven that other than Impossible 123, you are the only person who believes in you. Btw Joseph O'Brien stated at the weekend that "The Curragh is a sharp track" and yet you expect to be listened to as a source of knowledge, I think Joseph has more credibility than you ever will.
You copy articles and then frame comments on every horse in a race so that regardless of the result you can claim to have written about the winner, I have not read an original thought from you other than AOB conspiracies which are cringeworthy in the extreme and I dislike the outfit!!
I wonder how many disagree with the above?
If you don’t like me don’t read me, tell the person who pm’d you that too.
Now disappear as you have done for such a long and welcomed time.
Now disappear as you have done for such a long and welcomed time.
And if that’s clueless (reaction to the Chester Vase) then you probably don’t know what day it is!
Delashay 06 May 26 15:32
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Delashay 06 May 26 15:32
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
And he had shuffled it by running his Derby horse in the Dante which isn’t the norm for AOB.
So thanks for your critique but you can poke it sideways.
So thanks for your critique but you can poke it sideways.
Delashay • June 2, 2026 7:01 PM BST
Christmas Day looks overpriced to meMoore was criticised for his ride at York in the Dante where he went to the wrong part of the track.
I’d read somewhere that someone said that he looks a Leger horse, AOB has used the Dante for these in the past.
6 starts : 3 wins 2 reds unplaced on debut. Won on heavy.
OR: 109
TS: 106
RPR: 121
25/1
Christmas Day looks overpriced to meMoore was criticised for his ride at York in the Dante where he went to the wrong part of the track.
I’d read somewhere that someone said that he looks a Leger horse, AOB has used the Dante for these in the past.
6 starts : 3 wins 2 reds unplaced on debut. Won on heavy.
OR: 109
TS: 106
RPR: 121
25/1
So come on big boys with your judgments it was there for you all.
Ya bunch a
Ya bunch a
Cagliari has summed the Autistic loon up perfectly.
As for his "if you don't like what I say don't read it"
You post endlessly and relentlessly and refuse to accept facts evenwhen presented to you.
Still think the Curragh 12F is stiffer than Epsom?
As for his "if you don't like what I say don't read it"
You post endlessly and relentlessly and refuse to accept facts evenwhen presented to you.
Still think the Curragh 12F is stiffer than Epsom?
Report• Quote • Block User formoftheace • June 28, 2026 5:26 PM BST
Del,you’ve got him on a string……
Do you think Tampax is a good nickname?
Del,you’ve got him on a string……
Do you think Tampax is a good nickname?
Delashay 30 Jun 26 10:09
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 24 Jun 26 18:12
Mbappe is over rated
3 absoute all time classics...pmsl WAC 😆
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 24 Jun 26 18:12
Mbappe is over rated
3 absoute all time classics...pmsl WAC 😆
a grade A poster of quotes and a grade AA aftertimer of stakeless bets.🤣
Whatever about comparisons between Epsom and Curragh I've always felt the perceived 'stiffness' of the Curragh track has always been way OTT. The straights at the likes of Naas and Leopardstown would be a stiffer climb, and the shorter home straight track that they use at the Curragh for the Derby (the longer straight used for Guineas) wouldn't be that stiff imop.
I make you right impossible.
Thanks for your first hand knowledge MJK of the tracks there, it’s difficult gage and there are various opinions on the matter.
As for times they aren’t something that I use in racing.
Years back I wrote to ATR and James Willoby explained why miles and other races are timed seconds faster in places such as the States.
With the rail movements etc I don’t find it reliable unless they are same day, distances etc….
Thanks for your first hand knowledge MJK of the tracks there, it’s difficult gage and there are various opinions on the matter.
As for times they aren’t something that I use in racing.
Years back I wrote to ATR and James Willoby explained why miles and other races are timed seconds faster in places such as the States.
With the rail movements etc I don’t find it reliable unless they are same day, distances etc….
Delbert trying to dig his way out
You were wrong so get over it you non betting loon
You were wrong so get over it you non betting loon
Rico-Dangleflaps • July 1, 2026 9:33 AM BST
he also said Constitution Hill won at Chester..had the whole thread removed out of embarrassment
I’m so embarrassed of my blatant mistype!
Thread is still here and you’re still writing, thinking and posting threads about me whilst I’m doing other things!
Puppet master really has lost control. 100%
he also said Constitution Hill won at Chester..had the whole thread removed out of embarrassment
I’m so embarrassed of my blatant mistype!
Thread is still here and you’re still writing, thinking and posting threads about me whilst I’m doing other things!
Puppet master really has lost control. 100%
Delashay • July 1, 2026 12:06 PM BST
It doesn’t phase me which is the stiffer test, but I’ve heard others describe the Curragh as being stiffer, either way it’s a stiff test and the winner needed that, as was shown by him running in the Chester Vase.
It doesn’t phase me which is the stiffer test, but I’ve heard others describe the Curragh as being stiffer, either way it’s a stiff test and the winner needed that, as was shown by him running in the Chester Vase.
I’m going to watch the boys now enjoy writing about me, thinking about me, wasting your time on me!
27 yo Blonde,why white women go to the Notting Hill Carnival and repeated homophobic insults from Delbert.
Skin thicker than a Rhino
Skin thicker than a Rhino
AOB / Coolmore are running two in The Eclipse ie Con River and Hawk Mountain. This was evident in the betting a couple of days prior to the announcement today or after both horses had worked this morning, according to AOB yesterday despite the latter also had an engagement in Germany. Heatwave?
Delashay 30 Jun 26 10:09
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 24 Jun 26 18:12
Mbappe is over rated
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 24 Jun 26 18:12
Mbappe is over rated
Watch And Learn: Graeme North timefigure analysis SL
What did Benvenuto Cellini achieve in the Irish Derby?
Onto Sunday and Benvenuto Cellini made up for his controversial ‘non-runner’ effort in the Derby with his best performance yet in the Irish equivalent, leading home yet another 1-2-3 in a European Derby for Aidan O’Brien with Epsom winner Christmas Day in second and seventh Pierre Bonnard in third. A 121 timefigure for Benvenuto Cellini, 119 for Christmas Day and 118 for Pierre Bonnard are all career bests with the runner-up performing 1lb better than he had at Epsom, so giving the form a watertight look, but the strongly-run nature of the race took its toll on fourth-placed Raaheeb who while repeating the 108 figure he posted in the Classic Trial at Sandown looked something of a short runner at the trip to me after looking to be coming with a threatening challenge.
Benvenuto Cellini will surely be at least as effective at the St Leger trip should connections opt to go that way, but whether the ground will be quick enough for him at that time of year remains to be seen; very slow conditions look something of a necessity for Derby third James J Braddock on this evidence, however, detached entering the straight and merely labouring into a remote sixth.
What did Benvenuto Cellini achieve in the Irish Derby?
Onto Sunday and Benvenuto Cellini made up for his controversial ‘non-runner’ effort in the Derby with his best performance yet in the Irish equivalent, leading home yet another 1-2-3 in a European Derby for Aidan O’Brien with Epsom winner Christmas Day in second and seventh Pierre Bonnard in third. A 121 timefigure for Benvenuto Cellini, 119 for Christmas Day and 118 for Pierre Bonnard are all career bests with the runner-up performing 1lb better than he had at Epsom, so giving the form a watertight look, but the strongly-run nature of the race took its toll on fourth-placed Raaheeb who while repeating the 108 figure he posted in the Classic Trial at Sandown looked something of a short runner at the trip to me after looking to be coming with a threatening challenge.
Benvenuto Cellini will surely be at least as effective at the St Leger trip should connections opt to go that way, but whether the ground will be quick enough for him at that time of year remains to be seen; very slow conditions look something of a necessity for Derby third James J Braddock on this evidence, however, detached entering the straight and merely labouring into a remote sixth.
And another view of the test that Curragh provides
The Curragh’s Unique Challenge
The physical test presented by the Curragh is part of what makes the Irish Derby such a definitive milestone for three-year-olds. Contested over a gruelling one mile and four furlongs, the course demands far more than raw, unadulterated speed. The final quarter of a mile features a steady, uphill climb that can completely expose any horse lacking genuine stamina or tactical discipline.
It is this specific terrain that often plays into the hands of the Irish trainers. The domestic racing programme is heavily geared towards testing endurance from an early stage, meaning local runners are frequently better prepared to handle the punishing final straight.
https://horse-canada.com/magazine/business/can-irelands-racing-dominance-continue-curragh-2026-irish-derby-preview/
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I’ve been hammered for calling it a stiffer test, which I’d said was a mistype, there’s no doubt that it is a stiff test and I was correct in saying that this would benefit the fav and that Epsom wasn’t his track.
The Curragh’s Unique Challenge
The physical test presented by the Curragh is part of what makes the Irish Derby such a definitive milestone for three-year-olds. Contested over a gruelling one mile and four furlongs, the course demands far more than raw, unadulterated speed. The final quarter of a mile features a steady, uphill climb that can completely expose any horse lacking genuine stamina or tactical discipline.
It is this specific terrain that often plays into the hands of the Irish trainers. The domestic racing programme is heavily geared towards testing endurance from an early stage, meaning local runners are frequently better prepared to handle the punishing final straight.
https://horse-canada.com/magazine/business/can-irelands-racing-dominance-continue-curragh-2026-irish-derby-preview/
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I’ve been hammered for calling it a stiffer test, which I’d said was a mistype, there’s no doubt that it is a stiff test and I was correct in saying that this would benefit the fav and that Epsom wasn’t his track.
Whist I realise that you are Autistic,Debert,it still does not excuse your lack of knowledge here.
Hopefully,for the final time,the Epsom 12F is far stiffer than the Curragh.
This is a fact not an opinion
Hopefully,for the final time,the Epsom 12F is far stiffer than the Curragh.
This is a fact not an opinion
If you’d ever written as much pre race as I have here then you might have made a mistype. Fact is I was correct about the Curragh suiting him because it is a stiff test of stamina.
Delashay • June 28, 2026 1:07 PM BST
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Why? : It needed a very strong gallop set at Chester, it went straight over 1m 4 1/2F first time out unlike the other Derby horses who went 1m 2f then stepped up.
I never felt that Epsom would be his track even if the going was good, his sister Giselle flopped there in the Oaks the year before.
I see Moore said the quicker going will suit today which makes even more of a mockery of him being a non runner!
"Obviously there was a lot of controversy around Benvenuto Cellini being deemed a non-runner at Epsom," said Moore. "He’s going to be back on nicer ground and that will make a significant difference to him. He’s had two disappointing runs in his life and both of them were on slower ground, so hopefully he’ll be a lot happier on the quicker surface."
They knew that he’d not like conditions and maybe the track but still supposedly ran him.
With his obvious stamina credentials mentioned above, * the stiff Curragh test should be more to his liking than Epsom.
I’m not backing Christmas Day but would like to see him confirm form, going into the Derby DD had said that on pedigree he might not like soft.
He form on good ground, the first up race where he carried a penalty has been franked, but I’m not going to lose my money won on him in the event of an AOB stitch up there today.
Penzance had said that 3’s looked short a while back and his price made no appeal back then and doesn’t today.
Delashay • June 28, 2026 1:07 PM BST
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Why? : It needed a very strong gallop set at Chester, it went straight over 1m 4 1/2F first time out unlike the other Derby horses who went 1m 2f then stepped up.
I never felt that Epsom would be his track even if the going was good, his sister Giselle flopped there in the Oaks the year before.
I see Moore said the quicker going will suit today which makes even more of a mockery of him being a non runner!
"Obviously there was a lot of controversy around Benvenuto Cellini being deemed a non-runner at Epsom," said Moore. "He’s going to be back on nicer ground and that will make a significant difference to him. He’s had two disappointing runs in his life and both of them were on slower ground, so hopefully he’ll be a lot happier on the quicker surface."
They knew that he’d not like conditions and maybe the track but still supposedly ran him.
With his obvious stamina credentials mentioned above, * the stiff Curragh test should be more to his liking than Epsom.
I’m not backing Christmas Day but would like to see him confirm form, going into the Derby DD had said that on pedigree he might not like soft.
He form on good ground, the first up race where he carried a penalty has been franked, but I’m not going to lose my money won on him in the event of an AOB stitch up there today.
Penzance had said that 3’s looked short a while back and his price made no appeal back then and doesn’t today.
I even answered why he’s a boat, because he never started his season at 10f.
Timeform man thinks he’ll get the Leger trip, I rest my case.
Timeform man thinks he’ll get the Leger trip, I rest my case.
Stop digging,you non betting,loon.
You were wrong but lack the honesty to admit it.
Little wonder that you live alone
You were wrong but lack the honesty to admit it.
Little wonder that you live alone
BTW,no amount of your C&P shyte will get you out of this one,thicko
I called the winner pre race gave the reasons why, case closed.
Hang onto a mistype if you’re that desperate to think you have one over on me, you don’t.
I’ll out race read you any day and those who’ve had digs.
Hang onto a mistype if you’re that desperate to think you have one over on me, you don’t.
I’ll out race read you any day and those who’ve had digs.
But,you cannot post single bet that you have ever had on BF,you bullshatting moron
I’ve posted a very good bet, sorry I can’t do multiples on the exchange!
Posted a "claimed bet" Delbert.
An entirely different matter
An entirely different matter
Dela.
Not one to knock people.
But where did you post per race that you had backed Christmas Day?
You have said many times that you do not like to say who you have backed, and you do not look for congratulations.
But you seem to post a few "booms" after events.
You can't have it both ways, bud.
Not one to knock people.
But where did you post per race that you had backed Christmas Day?
You have said many times that you do not like to say who you have backed, and you do not look for congratulations.
But you seem to post a few "booms" after events.
You can't have it both ways, bud.
Brandy,Delbert C&P's every runner in a race with no selection.
After the race he "cherry picks" a post to suggest where he picked the winner
After the race he "cherry picks" a post to suggest where he picked the winner
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 02 Jul 26 19:45
I called the winner pre race gave the reasons why, case closed.
pmsl 😆
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.
Delashay 02 Jul 26 19:45
I called the winner pre race gave the reasons why, case closed.
pmsl 😆
Brandy I’d backed up why he was over priced in other posts, I don’t look for congratulations but it seems the case that I made did encourage you to look again at him as an outsider which I why I said hope you had backed.
Delashay • June 2, 2026 7:01 PM BST
Christmas Day looks overpriced to meMoore was criticised for his ride at York in the Dante where he went to the wrong part of the track.
I’d read somewhere that someone said that he looks a Leger horse, AOB has used the Dante for these in the past.
6 starts : 3 wins 2 reds unplaced on debut. Won on heavy.
OR: 109
TS: 106
RPR: 121
25/1
And yes I will booooom when a 20/1 shot goes in as two did that same day for me.
Delashay • June 2, 2026 7:01 PM BST
Christmas Day looks overpriced to meMoore was criticised for his ride at York in the Dante where he went to the wrong part of the track.
I’d read somewhere that someone said that he looks a Leger horse, AOB has used the Dante for these in the past.
6 starts : 3 wins 2 reds unplaced on debut. Won on heavy.
OR: 109
TS: 106
RPR: 121
25/1
And yes I will booooom when a 20/1 shot goes in as two did that same day for me.
brandyontherocks • June 4, 2026 7:01 AM BST
I like Benvenuto. He looked very classy last year and his win at Chester makes him the most likely winner.
But there has to be a question over his ability to handle soft ground as his action is of a good ground horse.
Item had the benefit of racing on the best part of the track at York, and is easily past over at around 4/1 for this.
Pierre Bonard looked to be a Derby contender last year with his wins at Newmarket and Saint Cloud. Even though OBrien says he has improved again since his last run, I think he should have been good enough to have won his trial. I prefer to look at performances on the track not what the trai error says.
I won't have a bet until we see what the ground is like on Friday. As it seems most clerks can not provide correct going descriptions.
Two horses i like at a price are Christmas Day and Ancient Egypt. Both are bred with plenty of stamina, and have shown they have ability to get in the mix here.
I like Benvenuto. He looked very classy last year and his win at Chester makes him the most likely winner.
But there has to be a question over his ability to handle soft ground as his action is of a good ground horse.
Item had the benefit of racing on the best part of the track at York, and is easily past over at around 4/1 for this.
Pierre Bonard looked to be a Derby contender last year with his wins at Newmarket and Saint Cloud. Even though OBrien says he has improved again since his last run, I think he should have been good enough to have won his trial. I prefer to look at performances on the track not what the trai error says.
I won't have a bet until we see what the ground is like on Friday. As it seems most clerks can not provide correct going descriptions.
Two horses i like at a price are Christmas Day and Ancient Egypt. Both are bred with plenty of stamina, and have shown they have ability to get in the mix here.
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