the irish derby 14.35 curragh

He’s beaten the lowest derby rated horse in years and he’s a super star?

Is that what all the pocket talkers are saying?

Jane 'I'm always right and louder than everyone else' Mangan says the first winner today was the best horse we saw all weekend. Time will tell...

That would be a no,then.
Autistics can never be wrong

The Curragh is a stiff track yes. Stiffer might have been a mistype but at least I was there contributing to the thread before the race and basically said he’ll win because of the track suiting.

Rossa gave up the rail, but clearly in the knowledge that half the field would have blocked him in (unlike the winner). Obviously the mafia give the opposition paranoia. Could quibble if beat a length but he wasn't anywhere near good enough anyway.

I see.
Now its a mistype instead of you just being wrong,Delbert

How about anyone saying if top priced 6’s makes appeal for the KG, put your necks out.

AOB has now thanked everyone in the yard, except for the Amazon drive who delivers for Coolmore.

Don't try your deflection bullshat here,Delbert.
You were wrong but are not man enough to admit it

There’s no deflecting I was right he’s a boat and won, a no bet in the race.

He was double digits this morning for Ascot I presume lots filled their boots?

0/12 for the Sandown trial(Raaheeb) rnrs now.
Not worked out at all so far.

No it hasn’t Pen I was going to say the form looks crud but I’d be calked an after

Hugo-Hackenbush • June 28, 2026 4:46 PM BST
Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.

Why? :  It needed a very strong gallop set at Chester, it went straight over 1m 4 1/2F first time out unlike the other Derby horses who went 1m 2f then stepped up.

I never felt that Epsom would be his track even if the going was good, his sister Giselle flopped there in the Oaks the year before.

I see Moore said the quicker going will suit today which makes even more of a mockery of him being a non runner!

"Obviously there was a lot of controversy around Benvenuto Cellini being deemed a non-runner at Epsom," said Moore. "He’s going to be back on nicer ground and that will make a significant difference to him. He’s had two disappointing runs in his life and both of them were on slower ground, so hopefully he’ll be a lot happier on the quicker surface."

They knew that he’d not like conditions and maybe the track but still supposedly ran him.

With his obvious stamina credentials mentioned above, the stiffer Curragh test should be more to his liking than Epsom.

I’m not backing Christmas Day but would like to see him confirm form, going into the Derby DD had said that on pedigree he might not like soft.

He form on good ground, the first up race where he carried a penalty has been franked, but I’m not going to lose my money won on him in the event of an AOB stitch up there today.

Penzance had said that 3’s looked short a while back and his price made no appeal back then and doesn’t today.


Delashay 28 Jun 26 16:41
Is a big old boat and the Curragh was his track, all correct.

strange no mention pre race


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Listen when you quote someone and try rip them one at least read what you’re quoting, all mentioned pre race.

Off subject but Weld really fancies Purview for the BC Turf. He says he trained the horse to peak at the latter end of the season and hasn't ruled out the Irish Champion Stakes. Thinks the ground would be too soft for a go at the Arc.

But,you were wrong,Debert.
Epsom is a stiffer Course than the Curragh

Thanks for the heads up, I’ve not seen RTV coverage.

Nothing to do with RTV Coverage,Delbert.
It is simply a matter of knowledge

Del,you’ve got him on a string……

I’ll give my opinion, I think that Ascot will suit him as a stamina test.

Am I backing, no at the odds it makes little appeal, like the odds today didn’t draw me in to back despite seeing him as the likely winner.

I’m wary of entering the fridge Ace!

Poor old Aceform,not getting any attention.

Being a boat, he might prefer Windsor.

Autumn campaign over 10 imv

Why aren’t I backing? The price has gone for the chance that these low rated horses are all superstars.

I can see the logic in chancing because still because we don’t know if Calandagan has gone or not.

The Japanese colt has a 48 journey.

Then they have Minnie Hauk.

So at 6’s I’ll save my wedge.

Cheers!

The views of a serial losing lorry driver will interest many,Aceform.
Care to post your bet today on the winner

I gave my opinion on the thread Ironhead ,so I’m entitled to continue tbf….

A winning one btw….unlike you….

Then post your bet if you actually had it,Billy Liar

Delbert and Aceform,the non betting Chuckle Brothers

nice to see the young lads learning early if they want to be part of THE LADS going forward,if hefferman or lordan were  sat as motionless on the 2nd when ryan loomed up on his outside,we,d all been sayin after you ryan,give it a few when race was over

Can’t be @rsed,sitting out in the sunshine enjoying cranachan and coffee taking in the stunning Perthshire countryside…..

You’ll probably be looking at dirty streets and listening to police sirens…

Utter cobblers,1st timer.
7 proper cracks with the whip from the two pole

Aceform confirmed as a twenty four carat bullshatter

Minhad mark two

1st time it’s why I don’t bet there, these are staged races. To think that the winner was declared a non runner at Epsom and NOT a NNO TRIER.

Whelan's horse wasn't good enough today.
Don't know where he was sitting motionless either.

You don't bet at all,Delbert.
15 months on BF and cannot post a single bet
But,the undisputed King of The Aftertimers

A great way to get one beat on the front is if they go too fast early, the sectionals will be interesting.

Outstayed a horse who looked loaded with stamina having won in a bog at Epsom!

Had all the marking of a plot from the way the 3’s went in.

And the only way that I’d of had a bet IS IF the BODY WEIGHTS were on show.

As it’d be nice to know that my money was on something that was ripe and not undercooked.

Perhaps you should get some help from the Bros before posting about stiffer Courses and showing yourself as a moron,Delbert?

He outstayed a Derby winner, I was correct he needed a stamina test,  you were no where before the race and have nothing after except clocked racism.

"Clocked"?
This from the poster who has made repeated homophobic insults and misogynistic insults towards white women

Of course you’ll cut and paste those but it’s hard when they are figments of your imagination.

"Why white Women go to the Notting Hill Carnival",ring any bells?

But,let's not digress.
You stated that the Curragh is a stiffer Course than Epsom.
It is not,dipstick

Jock on 2nd didn't look overly concerned about being beaten in the finish, only keeping 2nd place.

"The Curragh is a much stiffer track than Epsom and there will be much more of an emphasis on stamina, with the ground likely to have some cut and prove quite testing," Bell said.

Want to argue to toss now after the race?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/jul/11/irish-oaks-curragh-sariska-mid...

A stiffer track, hang onto me calling it a stiffer stamina test but take your thoughts to M Bell who’d deal with you like he did the person on the gallops when on his hack

Dear Dippy

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2009-07-12/curragh/57338/darley-irish-oaks-group-1

Oh it was good to yielding and still a tougher test!

I’ll await your well thought reply dippy dear

All that means is that Bell and yourself are clueless,Delbert.
I will repeat,that the standard times for Epsom for 12F is 2.35.6
The standard time for the Curragh is 2.31.9.
Is that clear enough,Tard?

Thanks for the confirmation that the winner today is in fact a big old boat that needed a stamina test.

Oh and that you’re full of it, never to discuss anything because you’re like Tomas with Jerry!

BTW,The going is irrelevant to "standard times".
Stop clutching at straws,you Autistic loon

Funny Miday was beaten further at the Curragh as Bell expected

Autistic cretins can never be wrong,Delbert

Delashay • June 28, 2026 6:54 PM BST
"The Curragh is a much stiffer track than Epsom and there will be much more of an emphasis on stamina, with the ground likely to have some cut and prove quite testing," Bell said.



Try again, apply again next time, but the position is now closed.

Moore was so far adrift at the off I thought he was stitching up supporters of Ben. The old dog Magnier was at The Curragh. He's against geldings running in The ARC for the reason of breeding alone.

Who's responsible for this decision by the French then? Coolmore themselves for "hiding" their 3 yr old "champion" colts eg City Of Troy choosing America over the race.

An innocuous win treble has paid dividend at 19/1. It was jolly nice too. The runner-up Christmas Day may go for The Leger. He's not ground dependent either.

I don't give a flying about what he said,cretin.
The standard times are what I stated and are proof

Delashay JJun 26 13:07 
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.


Delashay 28 Jun 26 19:07 
Thanks for the confirmation that the winner today is in fact a big old boat that needed a stamina test.

so dellanobber adds that after its won...if beat his reply 'told you so'

pmsl WAC

Congratulations Impossible I’m pleased for you, you’d persisted backing these runts for a while and duly got your day

Enjoy your winnings and don’t tell your other half

Anyone notice a trend? Irons is roasted again then Mr I live by a school appears!

When there’s less to see from the living room window I suppose it’s easier to run multiple accounts!

What it really shows is,tards like Delbert would argue that black is white rather than admit they are wrong.
A "Big Old Boat" sums the aftertiming King up perfectly

Cheers 'Delashay'. I've used some of the winnings to buy a Shark Chill Pill personal fan to use on The Underground. The next purchase will be a mobile air con unit when the weather is freezing. I think the UK heatwave will be the norm in the Summer.

I hope Bow Echo retains his unbeaten record in The Sussex. I also think AOB / Coolmore will not dare try to embarrass themselves again.

Where was Mr Soumillon, engagement in France?

Impossible are you back to betting on Irish racing again after saying some time ago you never bet on it?

uptheirons • June 28, 2026 7:13 PM BST
Autistic cretins can never be wrong,DelbertLaugh

Ironside averaging 22 posts a day, with a total of over 10K posts in just over a year.
30 posts on this thread alone, and was posting on the site after midnight.
M3ntal elf issues a possibility.Appears to have no life outside this anonymous forum.
Welfare check required mods?>

plenty seem to inhabit the forum 18hrs every day..most dont even use the exchange to bet..a life of inconsequencial woffling..

Never mind about your cretinous insults,Leif.
Care to make a statement regarding which Course is a stiffer test of stamina or,is that above your understanding?

^^^
makes that many posts he forgets who he is replying to

No answer then,Leif

put the crack pipe down, walk away from your device and give ya head a wobble.
Consider having a day off ffs

DWP,Crack pipe and homosexual insults but,no answer to my question to the loon,Leif

'It won't be a real race anymore' - John Magnier

When I saw this I thighs that he was talking about the Irish Derby!

Where was Mr Soumillon, engagement in France?

Yes he rode two winners at Saint - Cloud yesterday a nice 2yr old filly for Head Jr, Woot Woot

(Head is having a good time with his 2yr olds) has one in the dark blue silks like Pour Moi called Avec Toi. Whose form was franked in the colts race by Ciceron for Fabre.

And Pearled Majesty in a G2 Eugene Adam won last year by Daryz.

Was 9/16 in the Jockey Club.

Only four runners 3 from Fabre, the game is in trouble with these turnouts.

Action could surely of ran here?

Thanks 'Delashay', I thought he'd have been shunned for putting his foot in his mouth at the Appeal.

Yes, Action was not running on merit to achieve the best place possible for his supporters. He was being used as the pacesetter for the other AOB / Coolmore runners. This is clearly and blatantly team tactic.

No not shunned, apparently he was keen to keep the ride on the colt in the Jockey Club but had the commitment to ride Hawk Mountain already.

Many on here have cited the reason for AOB running so many horses in a race down to having so many in his stable. I’d said that he hadn’t any entries for the race yesterday.

It was a Group 2 there for the taking and you’d think that a horse who ran second in the Dante and was beaten only 1L by Bow Echo could have his chance instead of acting as a hare.

The fan sounds like a good investment, can’t imagine using the Underground in this heat.

I’ve seen that both Causeway and Hawk Mountain have entries for the Germany derby at the weekend. They’d contested win and you’re in for it.
No mention of this on the post when discussing the Eclipse at the weekend on the RP.

Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.

when was the last time a a 'big old boat'   won a gr1?

I think CooLmore should stop producing too many horses in an attempt to find another Frankel during the time of the lads. Galileo may have been a very good sire, but no prodigy himself. Similarly, his offspring.They have been nothing special including the Derby winners. I remember not so long ago too many greyhounds were bred with only a handful of them winners.

Con River is a shortie for The Eclipse at the weekend in the absence of Ombudsman, the highest rated 10f horse. I hope his 'layers' have not been badly compromised by the horsey antics of AOB / Coolmore.

Yesterday at 3:45pm

Beat a horse that won another Group 1 but only in name at 2, has had 7 starts for 2 wins - Pierre Bonnard. His Leger Horse.

Only beaten 2L yesterday.

If that ain’t a boat then I’m not sure what is?

Ryan Moore :

"When it's windy here, you're always a little bit unsure what can happen but his class came through. Aidan's horses are trained to handle a high tempo, so when you get that sort of pace, the best horses come to the fore."

Race was set up for him to win and could only put the distance on them.

*4:30 pm

If the race was worth sponsoring Budweiser would still put their name to it.

Ben is nothing special. I think he's a galloper and lacking acceleration. He'll not beat Calandagan or Ombudsman over 10f or Golden Horn, Jack Hobbs or even High Chaparral over 12f, I firmly believe.

The second in had suspect stamina and Coolmore decided to expose it and it worked

Very good Hugo!

TY.

Just looking to see where Golden Horn, Jack Hobbs and High Chaparal are entered, to see if Impossible123 is right and Ben is not good enough to beat them.

Curragh execs slapping themselves on the back for the extra few hundred who attended this year. All to do with them apparatus and not a mention of the weather. Of course if it was p***ing down rain all weekend they would've been all over that as the reason for a poor attendance.

*apparently

Delashay 28 Jun 26 13:07
Not betting here but my view is that Ben is a big old boat.

when was the last time a a 'big old boat'   won a gr1?

Keep plugging away Ringo, share where I said the boat wouldn’t win!

The term Big Boat describes why he didn’t win at Epsom or was ever likely to do so as I’d said after the Chester Vase. Whereas you called him the winner of the real Derby!

Want a reminder of that or is it still bugging you? Eating you up that I backed the winner at 20/1 wrote about it and the reasons for why! Yet you knew better or so you thought!

*never

Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.

Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.

Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?

Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.

He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.

They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.

Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!

*never

Epsom is a test of not only stamina but also agility.

Let’s contrast how the trials were won at Chester, in the Vase there was a strong gallop set for a 1m 4 1/2F race.

Can you remember where the Big Boat came to win?

Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.

He was likened to a Scalextric with the way that he glided around Chester sticking to the rail.

They knew that the Boat like his sister Gisselle wouldn’t handle Epsom, I questioned his ability to do so on the day.

Take the lessons given in race reading and go be productive on your photoshop, playing with yourself will make your eye sight worse!

ive no doubt wotsoever had been not won the irish derby ewe would have been posting 'I TOLD YOU SO'

a big old boat doesnt win a gr1..simples..

tell me again why didnt ewe enter george b's ascot tipping comp? the self proclaimed forum equine expert..ewe would have been a short price to win..

no! you on the fence that mutch your árse id full of spelks...get away from the forum for 10 mins ya sill leak húnt..go outside smell the fresh air.

Delashay 30 Jun 26 10:09 
Ahhh yes straight down the center of the track. He hadn’t the ability to touch in and stay on the rail as Constitution Hill had.

didnt realise Constitution Hill ran at chester..thought track would have been a tad tight for it.

yes rico,won the Champion hurdle there.

LOL

Keep plugging away and letting it eat you up, guess you have lots of time on your hands now it’s summer hold time!

You look like your user names a big child.

With a grudge because you got it wrong, Hill was clearly a mistype.

Now go amuse yourself watching Telly Tubbies or something of the ilk that matches your IQ.

Delbert stated that the Curragh 12F is a stiffer test than 12F at Epsom
Autistics are never wrong

LOL WAC