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Sergeant Cecil lost his first 13 races inc. 5 x 2nds. Group 1 win & Plate Ebor Ces. wins followed.
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And there's nowt wrong with this horse but yes while very good he's not quite the superstar that can overcome everything although something very special would have been needed at Goodwood.
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Rosallion is not a superstar horse. He's a very good horse. He's also very lucky (?). Now, the "very unlucky" could be opened to interpretation eg not ridden to potential; questionable race planning; adverse ground condition; adverse draw; unrelated unforeseen circumstances.
I think the most appropriate of the above would be not ridden to potential eg injudicious jockeyship and race planning. |
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I was a fan of Rosallion but I lost patience with him after The Queen Anne where everything was in his favour and
he still fluffed his lines...and against a moderate G1 miler in Docklands who he should've readily picked up. His most dangerous opponents didn't turn up so not winning that race was a calamity...especially in light of a weak pace where his legendary speed should've easily prevailed. Maybe he leaves his best work for the mornings because I've not witnessed the legendary foot Hannon's often spoken of as if he's in the same league as Canford Cliffs, Toronado, Olympic Glory etc. from that stable - he's definitely NOT! I think some are a bit tough on the colt (as well as Leavy) as he doesn't look ungenuine to me - he just hasn't got the tactical speed at crucial stages as was highlighted yet again in The Moulin - the winner won on merit...and he was sat right him behind 2f out waiting to pounce. He has definitely been overrated though I still wouldn't rule out him winning any G1 as we're struggling for quality in the mile division recently - a peak Field Of Gold would be far too good, but unfortunately I suspect we might've seen the best (and maybe the last) of him. For a change, I might take a look at the Yanks on the turf at this year's Breeders' Cup because we're struggling for genuine contenders at the moment. I thought last year (in another poor generation for milers) that Rosallion would be able to take Charyn...but after The Queen Anne debacle I had to revise that view and since then it's been confirmed a few times - a very straightforward performer like Charyn would've disposed of him. I thought 7f might suit and the York race would be an easy G1 but he couldn't handle the drop in trip. They ALL fcuked up in the Sussex and allowed a bum to steal the race so he has been unfortunate not to supplement his G1 tally and emulate his stablemate Olympic Glory who achieved the rare distinction of winning Group 1s at 2/3/4. Overall, he's a likeable performer who's reputation has always been a millstone around his neck - admirable & consistent BUT he undoubtedly is limited compared to even average champion milers over the years...like Charyn. I hope he stays around next year...and who knows what improvement there might be as a 5yo - I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong but I firmly believe he's limited in the highest grade...just as his official rating would suggest. |
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Totally agree with you there, Herbie.
He is a decent horse amongst an average bunch of milers. Leavy has taken a lot of criticism, unfairly in my opinion. Like Cider said. Give him a go over 10f. |
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also don't blame the jockey ,once maybe twice a badly judged ride but not 5 times ! he will prob win when he is a double figga price when the majority have given up on him!
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He may well be worth a try but I'd be surprised if he did so (next year?) as Hannon's
never shut up about how much speed he has - he's not really bred for it and there's no real stamina throughout his immediate family...and though pedigree's a fair guideline, there are plenty of examples of sprint-bred performers who've excelled over jumps! |
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Jack Berry trained a winning 5F Sprinter to win over 3M4F NH
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That Notable Speech couldn’t land the Breeders Cup last year should have shown you all before the start of the season that they weren’t a top class bunch of milers and he was our Guineas winner.
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Who was he ducking in the Marois? Because duck it they did.
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Baaeed aside...they've been a below average lot over a mile in the decade since Kingman.
Field Of Gold was the great white hope but things haven't gone to plan and I'm not sure if they can regain that promise. The door's been open for a while for a top miler to deliver, just as Charyn did last season though he was nothing really special - I sound harsh but he was 'only' an average champion miler however admirable. |
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And anyone who thinks the Levy is any good look up the results when second of these 3
Issac Shelby Rashabar Rosie And count how many G1’s he’s lot in a tight finish!  |
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What has the Levy got to do with the horse Delilah? Have you been taking English lessons from the same teacher as the sacked deputy PM you recently criticised or will you explain wtf your post is about? tia even though you cannot read this post!!
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Hey top rod Toby! Did you live off tuna for years after your beautiful brace of line caught monsters?!
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And what was the screenshot of £90 on a 5/4? Big time specimen hunter like you should have waded in large!
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So you lie as well as appearing dyslexic Delhah or did you just run away when your command of the English language was proven to be worse than the person you criticised?
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Big time Toby tanker
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Vitas Gerulaitis lost his first 31 matches against Jimmy Connors and said afterwards in interview “Nobody, but nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 32 times in a row”.
If horses could only talk. |
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Did you watch the us open final
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No, missed it sadly. Alcaraz, at 22, already has some record. Amazing.
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Would you like a winner Cag ? The horse is a good thing imo….
Hector rides in the last at the Welsh track….. |
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Just had £60 on Saffie, Quixall despite the ground so already had a winner thanks!!
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LoyalHoncho • September 9, 2025 6:01 PM BST
No, missed it sadly. Alcaraz, at 22, already has some record. Amazing Really was the way he down then had some surge. Sinner was going to his backhand but he found a way to negate it and literally dismantled the Italian. |
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"Vitas Gerulaitis lost his first 31 matches against Jimmy Connors and said afterwards in interview “Nobody, but nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 32 times in a row”
Except he didn't. Gerulaitis lost his first 16 matches and won the 17th. |
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Thank you. The point is still a good one. I think you made it once, accurately, and I appreciated it then as I do now. Best wishes.
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No worries…..have a bit on the place tho,it could flounder ….
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Saffie is the best female rider bar non….
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You're welcome.
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I thank you formoftheace and refer you to my recent post elsewhere. It is always rewarding to know that my presence on the forum has stimulated you do something that you do very well indeed.
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Did you mean none,Aceform?
Hollie is two grades better |
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I think Saffie is 7lb better than most tbh…..
Gina Mangan deserves more good rides along with Joe Mason…..smiling lady Faye who is attached to the Tinkler yard… |
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I’ll give you a football punt tonight iron…
England v Serbia… A bit short but both teams to score…..should be 1.01 imv…. |
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"England v Serbia…
A bit short but both teams to score…..should be 1.01 imv…" Outstanding. |
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Obviously tongue in cheek John……
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Usual level of ability demonstrated by Aceform.
Utterly clueless |
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You think lol
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We all know that and you have consistantly proved it over the years
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We ?
Merry men…..yawn ffs |
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We would be anybody who has witnessed your hapless performances over the years.
And,yawn (your usual response when you have made a **** of yourself)fools nobody,Aceform |