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Guys, Genuine question…
What are your views on Richard Hannon as a trainer as I like his horses and love Rosalion but on th yesterday he was biggin it up with Classic and that got well stuffed but as he says about any of his horses he has they are the best in the world etc …I think if he had a donkey on Scarborough Beach he would say it was the best in the world etc any one else noticed he does that a lot and I’m getting wary of him now even when they get beat he still says how great they are I don’t know what to make of him this last couple of seasons…
Still hope Rosallion wins if he goes to York and I’ll have a bet on him but this thing now with a bruised foot is worrying…
Thoughts people…
Danaho
What are your views on Richard Hannon as a trainer as I like his horses and love Rosalion but on th yesterday he was biggin it up with Classic and that got well stuffed but as he says about any of his horses he has they are the best in the world etc …I think if he had a donkey on Scarborough Beach he would say it was the best in the world etc any one else noticed he does that a lot and I’m getting wary of him now even when they get beat he still says how great they are I don’t know what to make of him this last couple of seasons…
Still hope Rosallion wins if he goes to York and I’ll have a bet on him but this thing now with a bruised foot is worrying…
Thoughts people…
Danaho
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Couldnay Train a fish to swim ffs.....Avoid like the proverbial.
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I wouldn't go that far
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I wood.
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And,you are entitled to do so Acey.
BTW,he is npt on the top of my list of Trainers to rely o |
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He speak with forked tongue and the stable likes a punt,so beware.
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His Horses are far to inconsistent for ma liking.
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His Horses are far to inconsistent for ma liking.
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Rosie IS NO superstar and shouldn’t be labelled as such. He lost the Queen Anne who’d only won 2 races previously. The jockey he uses isn’t up to either.
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*up to it
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read his blog every Friday after 5.00pm for his views on his runners on Saturday
https://www.unibet.co.uk/blog/author/richard-hannon |
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He still thinks that on another day Canford Cliffs would have beat Frankel
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His horses do run inconsistently. Can’t bet his with any confidence really. Compared to Haggas, Balding and Beckett anyway.imv.
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Spot on Honcho.
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Whilst Honcho is correct,your claim about teaching fish to swim is a tad over the top,Acey
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OK couldnay Train a Dug tay bark.
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Personally wouldn't place a bet on any haggas shorties with any confidence
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Not as easy as you would think acey, shafter has been training a Basenji to bark for 15 years and it still does'nt, his bulldog with the hair lip still only manages "Mark mark" when the postman knocks!!
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overrated trainer
usually plays a straight bat tho & there are edges with this yard jockey wise levey is past it now @ 37 imo joe leavy is already ahead of him just lacks big race experience |
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I regard Channon on a par for dependability
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If Rosallion fails to win at York on Saturday wonder if 'the sheik who must be obeyed' will order the horse to be boxed straight from the racecourse stables to the yard of K.Burke?
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Thanks Everyone, Goes to show he’s not that well regarded and that’s the issue he always talks the talk but seldom delivers when he bigs them up so I’m wary now about Rosallion…
Great quote by Sir Epicure btw… Karl Burke waiting for a knock on the door from the Sheik… Hope Rosie wins though but now betting with caution on Hannons runners unless he says one more time best horse ivevever trained situation |
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He talks up his charges, never down. Hannon senior is more measured, realistic and experienced. His big grin (smirk) on saturday concerning the debacle of Rosallion and Le Marois was an own goal.
I hope Rosallion is still his charge post City Of York this saturday. |
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Your right impossible…I liked senior Hannon spoke well knowledgeable and honest but young Hannon can’t hold a candle to his Dad…
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Your right impossible…I liked senior Hannon spoke well knowledgeable and honest but young Hannon can’t hold a candle to his Dad…
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He wins the big one on Saturday on the bridle…..
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an ex owner of hannon (highclere) thought he was a complete kn*b..farcial pre race instructions
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Interesting thread here. I don't really believe any trainers being interviewed and Hannon is always slightly evasive. Anyone agree Haggas mainly talks straight?
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Never warmed to the guy and like others have said, he's a pale shadow of his father
As for Haggas, I like him but, much like Jacko, I wouldn't want to back his short-priced runners (would put Varian in that category, too) |
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Varian must be blocking me
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One of the most overrated trainers to hold a licence....a five year winning percentage of a paltry 11% for a supposed top trainer is absolutely shocking.
Boils my piss that so many owners with all that money and so little sense keep sending him horses... Can't stand the fella as a trainer |
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Hasnt been a "top" trainer for a good while imo..His old man though was top notch....Dont forget me amongst many, very, very good horses.
personally think his jockey is excellent, but you are only as good as the horses you ride, and when you ride the good one's dont make a mistake as you dont ride for Coolmore or Godolpin where another good one comes along the next day. |
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Some seasons will be better than others but to me it's still very much the same operation that his father ran for decades -generally purchasing animals from the middle of the market (think they still use the Doyle family to advise them at the sales) who are capable of coming to hand as juveniles while offering hope of training on. There is an overload of sprinter / miler pedgrees so if, as with most, they fall short of pattern class they'll end up in nurseries then begin their 3 year old career in handicaps, quite exposed and winning when things fall right. The overall strike rate will be moderate but it's an operation that has stood the test of time. If it's dart throwing then it's one with some method in it.
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Some great feedback thanks guys…Grayhawk that 11% over five years is truly is awful just shows you how he is getting away with it at this level? I only put the thread up because I noticed when I backed him supposedly best horses he’s ever trained he keeps saying they were unlucky all the time and then I realised he says that every time after a race he’s just lost so I was getting annoyed at his comments and that’s me finished with him and as Grayhawk pointed out that is a shocking return?
I will still have some Amo on Rosalion but his bruised foot and Hannon is worrying me now? If he gets beat Hannon will no doubt roll out the he was unlucky story and he’s the best horse I’ve ever trained but after Rosie I shall be backing hannons with minimal money and confidence from now on? Thanks everyone some great views and info on this subject. Dano |
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The Hannon team are in typically bullish mood.
Speaking on his website www.richardhannonracing.co.uk, the trainer said: "Both horses (Toronado and Dawn Approach) want a proper gallop, enabling them to settle, but we know that our fellow is straightforward in that we can ride him from the front or sit on him so as to utilise his speed. "We think that the track will suit him, and his preparation since Ascot has gone smoothly. "If we get beat then so be it, but we could not be happier with our fellow, and he is so much more relaxed since we moved him to Herridge and equipped him with the spoon-bit. Fingers crossed this will be our day." |
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I always remembered this cheeky quote by Bolger and for me it sums up the Hannon’s, bit Delboy. “This time next year Rodder’s…..”
They do well in targeting the guineas one stable to always watch for that and can compete at the top despite having less budget. Unbeaten in six races last year, Dawn Approach is no taller and, at 500kg, only 8kg heavier than when last seen in public but is "much stronger" to Bolger's eye. "I expect improvement," he said and it appears punters share that view, as the horse is no bigger than 6-4 for the Classic a week on Saturday. "He's on a par with the best horses I've had but I won't know for certain until he runs, because he's so laid back," Bolger said. The trainer admits to being impressed by the second favourite for the Guineas, Toronado, but is less taken with the colt's name. "If I had a horse as good as Toronado, I wouldn't have called him after a clapped-out coupé that was taken off the market in 1992," he said, grinning broadly. At 71, Bolger is on excellent terms with himself, as two professional hurlers found out when visiting his yard and, rashly, challenging him to a press-up competition. |
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The quote above is typical of him and l’d love a pound for everytime he says that!
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