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By:
howard
When: 21 Jul 25 15:49
unlike u far from jaywick
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 15:52
The North would be my guess but it is unimportant
By:
handtorofe
When: 21 Jul 25 15:53
Stupid remark Howard is mucking out beneath you.
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 15:55
mucking out and mental health.  going for a hat-trick Howie ?
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 15:56
He's certainly on a runLaugh
By:
howard
When: 21 Jul 25 16:13
If you think hulk is a good ally you are struggling irons. Fruitcakes sticking together is rife on here these days ...  it's why so many have left ...so many  Rampton cases remaining.
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 16:18
Merely commenting on your remarks and nothing to do with allies Howard
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 16:23
Watched the race a couple times fav was pulling very hard early on and clearly wanted to go faster but was restrained heavily from doing so. Bout 3 out the fav clearly looked in trouble imo but did stay on quite strongly not beaten far. Winner might be decent but just goes to show there’s no such thing as a cert. Didn’t like the ride the fav got but sh is clearly past his best. Fav beat 2nd fav easily I just think he should have not been so far back.
By:
howard
When: 21 Jul 25 16:26
that's a relief irons Grin
By:
howard
When: 21 Jul 25 16:31
It's all hindsight though andy. The leader was a 28/1 shot and that's at the tight industry odds. You can often pull and cruise past such horses.  That's why Rico wanted you all to lay the fav Laugh
By:
s.kenbo
When: 21 Jul 25 16:35
On page one De-Moan didn’t bet it. On page two it let him down for a treble. So many liars and bu11****s. Some can’t even remember the lies they told an hour ago!
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 16:37
You don’t expect horses with royal ascot form to come off the bridle in gaff track races and anyone who had 7k to win 1k or 700 to win 100 must be fuming. God only knows who backed that at 1.16 ir cos it never was travelling. I guess late on you feel it’s class would be good enough. Maybe the horse is a hard ride but it didn’t look pretty I thought it was a pish poor ride tbh.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 21 Jul 25 16:41
andyl 21 Jul 25 16:23 
Watched the race a couple times fav was pulling very hard early on and clearly wanted to go faster but was restrained heavily from doing so.

arnt all hard pullers? (unless they leading)
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 16:41
A previous front runner and close up at Ascot.
Why would you try to hold it up andyl?
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 16:44
Age of Gold was 7th in last years Chesham Stakes (Class 1).  Was then targeted at a Class 2 Nursery at York, Winner: £51,540.

this one was 2nd in this years Chesham.  Next target, class 4 egg and spoon race round Ayr on a Monday afternoon.  Beaten at 2/13.
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 16:44
As I said I wouldn’t which is why I questioned the ride given by sh. You’re on a 1 to 7 shot why not let the horse bowl along in front. Maybe sh feared stamina doubts lol but it finished well enough. Time may tell it just bumped into a very smart horse then again
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 16:47
I am only delighted that it wasn't a 1.4 chance on hereLaugh
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 16:49
I have to agree it did seem a strange move sending it to Ayr to pick up 4k could done that in Ireland. Nothing surprises me anymore with horse racing or sports but if there was one horse today you had to choose to save your life you’d be hard pushed not to have picked that one lol on form grounds.
By:
Cider
When: 21 Jul 25 16:56
they can regress from the royal ascot experience
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 21 Jul 25 17:00
100
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 17:03
then you may as well throw the formbook away and it becomes a lottery if you're just going to trawl out the old its maybe regressed mantra.

been up all night studying the form, oh hang on, what if it's regressed ?
By:
Cider
When: 21 Jul 25 17:07
it's true that the form is only part of the equation. that's why it was around 1.17 today instead of 1.01.
By:
uptheirons
When: 21 Jul 25 17:08
They can regress and there is no doubt that some do Cider.
If the horse had been allowed to race as before and got beat I would share that view.
I do not
By:
Hayden
When: 21 Jul 25 17:08
andy , think you've just illustrated the dangers of using form as a selection criteria when there's a debutante in the race.

I'd also concur with Cider in that plenty of horses regress from a debut run , it's lazy to just accept they'll improve or indeed run again to that level.
By:
racing6699
When: 21 Jul 25 17:13
Whats ludicrous is that if this race was run tomorrow people think the winner would be Fav mot the second.  Anyway its all opinions. If the race was run tomorrow the second would be 1.5 probably imo
By:
Cider
When: 21 Jul 25 17:14
RA was very hot weather, fast going, travelled from another country, second race of its life. Plenty of horses will have gone backwards after that experience. Nobody knows which once and I doubt it is evident in home work. Pays your money and takes your chance, not my kind of race to play in. Very early 2yos can be gone by now anyway. Actually I seem to recall the Stacks have a reputation for having their 2yos ready for the beginning of the season.
By:
richgit
When: 21 Jul 25 17:20
...Given the connections, I'm guessing the plan was to come over here for an easy win...accept an offer..and return to Tipperary with the dosh.
The newcomer ( plus jockey) buggered that up.
By:
Hayden
When: 21 Jul 25 17:21
Agree with that racing6699 in that it would be fav again and you're probably near the mark with 1.5 who knows , then again though it might get beat again , different day and naive to believe horses and indeed jockeys perform to the best of their ability y run , neither do trainers come to that.

If run again tomorrow it might win because the jockey on the debutante rides an ill judged race , we'll never know.

That's racing , take it or leave it    Happy
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 21 Jul 25 17:22
if the winner today ran in the Chesham it would be 100/1.
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 17:25
if travelling from another country was an issue it would seem rather odd that he would then chose an egg and spoon race in Scotland for its next run.  they do have horseracing in ireland.  they have a lot of it.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 21 Jul 25 17:27
eye conquer todays race is a puzzler.
By:
Cider
When: 21 Jul 25 17:28
they don't know until they run again. obviously still don't know, something might come to light. horse racing is not an exact science. have they brought it over just to lay the arse off it? 999/1 imo
By:
richgit
When: 21 Jul 25 17:28
..Hulk.......more moneyed suckers on this side ...IF they intended to sell .
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 17:30
8 runners there in 5 years so he does send the occasional one up but i'd have thought it might have been to try and win more than 4 grand given how much it would cost to transport the animal.
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 17:31
Agree Hayden.

Horse with similar profile runs in next at Windsor….horse ran a screamer to finish a close 9th beaten 4l ish fto in royal ascot race. Belied odds of 250 to 1. Form shown should be good enough to win any average maiden
By:
richgit
When: 21 Jul 25 17:34
..Hulk...the filly Luminare won an egg and spoon race at Bath.....was the sold for 105,000 guineas...lovely jubbly
By:
hulk23
When: 21 Jul 25 17:36
if the plan was to bring that over and sell it for decent dosh it wouldn't have been ridden the way it was
By:
richgit
When: 21 Jul 25 17:38
...fair enough mate........I'm off for a pint now anyway.
By:
Hayden
When: 21 Jul 25 17:38
It could hack up andy as we know but can we honestly say that none of this unexposed field wouldn't have done the same , can we honestly say for certain it will improve , can we honestly say it will not regress , answer's no to all three.

Pay your money take your chance but if someone can't easily put a line through that race i'd love to what that person knows that's just a guess to me.
By:
andyl
When: 21 Jul 25 17:47
No easy money at this game
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