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26 Apr 25
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who the hell wants to watch all his horses farming the big races
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P!sh he deserves it….running against the junk tbh
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have a day off.
Mullins is a genius pure n simple. show some appreciation ffs....  |
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Lucky he don't come over more often.
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I do not mind him doing what he did earlier today solely for the Trainer's Championship in the last few days. But, not every big race of the NH season eg The Schweppes Hurdle, King George, etc.
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The man is class,unlike the the runner up !!!
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Shafted and thundered…..back to Ireland with uk loot…..
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I think his son gives him the nod…go on dad this is easy…..
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Jealousy is a terrible thing
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Sorry to disappoint you iron@rse but I’m a fan of the Irish gent…
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Had Mr Mullins not taken his horses over for the Oaksey Chase Ga Law would have been the winner, a horse rated 152. I would prefer to watch a high quality Gaelic Warrior, rated 170, strut his stuff and collect the prize. Hitman would have been credited with 3rd place when in actual fact he was 7th beaten almost half of the home straight. The Celebration Chase would have had Jonbon winning by over 10 lengths from Edwardstone without Il Etait Temps and Energumene and every ''expert'' in the land would have been telling us Jonbon is an alltime great.
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Searching for ways to lower the bar is never the answer and will do nothing for the game , far better for the also rans to look outside the comfort blanket to find ways of closing the gap.
Willie is the G.O.A.T  |
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Totally agree, he brings class horses otherwise we would be having to watch the same old 2nd rate donkeys in 3/4 horse fields.
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he wins 38 races all season while skelton wins 179 so not sure he's farming all the races
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JP O’Brien’s stats this season in Ireland percentage wise are not far off Mullins’
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JP has had 174 runners,106 placed in first 4, 60%. Mullins has had 468 in first 4, 61%
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Winners 24.5% Mullins. About 22% JP O’Brien.
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Amazing how many times "jealousy" gets rolled out on these threads. Are all the moans coming from potential competitors? The OP is simply expressing frustration that dominance is dull. But not necessarily dominance in winning bib races, obviously that's admirable and a cause for celevration of excellence. It's the numerical dominance in the number of runners that really turns people off. When any trainer has over half the field in a race that has a long tradition, then that tradition starts to lose its appeal.
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And sticking in the top weight to put half the field out of the weights. As I've stated in another thread, the operation is ruthless, with a very charming front man. At least they didn't pull out of the last race once it was over the line!
Mullins is dominant anyway, is it really necessary to game the rules to get that extra little bit of advantage? It's nothing to do with the self evident brilliance of the operation, it's almost like showboating though. |
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Can anybody explain the genius behind having eleven horses in the Triumph Hurdle , and winning with a 100/1 shot ?
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He feels sorry for Dan.
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It was a fluke in the sense that the reason he ran them is the changing rules to qualify for the festival handicaps. So the theory was to get them all a qualifying run and some festival experience. And if they happen to go and unexpectedly win, well it's another g1 winner.
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Reminds me a little of Ponting's convicts. Winning easily wasn't enough for them, they wanted to humiliate their opposition, ie demonstrate utter dominance. The Aussies had a tremendous team at the time. One of, if not the best in history but nobody outside of Australia liked them. It is possible to win, and even be dominant in sport, and retain your class. Say Henry Cecil in this sport, or Federer in tennis.
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His record has earned him the right to be sent the best horses. After that he trains the best horses to win the best races. And he's very good at it. Is it good for competition and interest in the sport? No, it's terrible.
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Apart from Mullins NH would be in dire straights imo
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He feels sorry for Dan. says Swifty (tongue in cheek)
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I like Mr Mullins and his high class horses. I relished watching Il Etait Temps and Gaelic Warrior today. It was most enjoyable. Very fine performances from both I think. I found the battle between Nick Rockett, I Am Maximus and Grangeclare West on the run to the line in the Aintree Grand National enthralling and it mattered not one jot to me those 3 were all trained by the same gentleman. I had a wager on none of the 3 of them by the way. I fail to see how not running the very best horses eligible can enhance the thrill of watching these amazing animals compete. I think someone said Mr Mullins won something like 38 races to win the Trainer's Championship. Obviously he wins a lot of the big races with talented horses. Why do people not want the best available to compete against each other regardless of who trains them? If the sport ever lost its magic for me and I wasn't enjoying races from the very top table I'd find something else to do with my times besides watching something that irritated me.
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..... Joining date speaks volumes.
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Been here over 15 years. Don't know exactly what date I joined. Do you Sir?
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He won the title due to flooding the big ticket races and hoovering up a lot of the place money, which is often more than winning significant races. Those are the rules, and they allow him to do it.
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.... Exactly, so the greatest of all time needs 10 horses in one race to prove a point ???
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He ran good horses in good races that were entitled to compete in those races. 1st, 2nd, 4th ln the Oaksey Chase and 1st and 3rd in the Celebration Chase today whilst other supposed top trainers had horses out with the washing as the saying goes in those races. I fail to see why the gentleman shouldn't run these top class competitors in the top races.
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In a year when he is not in contention for the title, how many does he send over for these races?
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He explicitly stated he ran Il Etait Temps for the place money, his words 'needed another soldier'. Of course races aren't ran on theory or trainer expectation, and it ran far better than he anticipated. But it only ran in the first place to try and obtain place money for the title.
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In my opinion if Mr Mullins doesn't send good horses over for ''these races'' the races are all the poorer for it. As I said earlier had Il Etait Temps and Energumene not travelled over for today's Celebration Chase Jonbon would have been winning the race by over 10 lengths and labelled an alltime great. I don't think he is a great good though he is.
To answer your question I haven't a clue how many Mr Mullins sends over for ''these races'' when not winning the title but for me that simply means the races are lower in quality without his participation. |
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I don't think many people are critical of him running the best horses. It was a bit too cynical for me, especially the top weight that would have never have run otherwise but to compress much of the opposition out of the handicap.
It's an acknowledgement that having so much of the best assets concentrated in one yard can only be a long term negative, ie the sport will eat itself. There is no obvious solution, but in my view the Mullins team should have played it with a straight bat this year, instead of for example running 10 horses in a race he wouldn't have done if the title wasn't on the line. |
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Il Etait Temps is a relatively young horse with not many miles on the clock and hadn't run for almost a year. With a rating of 160 and room for improvement due to having not run many races and his age today's performance was a possibility. He was 2nd favourite for the race for goodness sake. Would the winner of this season's Champion Hurdle not have been considered to be running for place money prior to the race? I think there's a strong possibility she would have.
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Il Etait Temps is a relatively young horse with not many miles on the clock and hadn't run for almost a year. With a rating of 160 and room for improvement due to having not run many races and his age today's performance was a possibility. He was 2nd favourite for the race for goodness sake. Would the winner of this season's Champion Hurdle not have been considered to be running for place money prior to the race? I think there's a strong possibility she would have.
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Of course he was entitled to run well. My point is that Mullins conceded he only ran to try and get place money for the title quest. I feel like big money for placing distorts the outcome because nobody anticipates one trainer being able to flood the field with runners. Perhaps only winning prize money should count.
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