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willie Mullins ruining racing as a sporting spectacle
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I think Manchester City should still be named Premier League Champions this year. OK, they won far fewer points than a few others but they spent the most on players and they still made more money than all of the other contenders, so they should be named Champions.
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a distinction ought to be drawn between non-handicap races and handicap races. The former are there to test who is the best and I agree with those who say WM has the best and trains them better than anyone else (Ile Etait yesterday a simply brilliant example of his training genius). He should run as many as he wants. However, I agree with Cider and others that it is not a good look to have 10 horses in a handicap, the effect of which (designed or otherwise) is to condemn half the field to be out of the weights. It is not an attractive sight to me and I am reasonably certain it leads to reduced betting from those who bet most (as opposed to small stakes now-and-then punters). To those who say the rest must catch up........the route of improving a horse though the grades to make a few £ and then buy better etc incrementally is blocked if, as soon as you get to the top handicaps, your horse is either balloted out or carrying 14lb morse than it should. I note with interest that AO'B doesn't feel the need to run 8 or 9 in the Hunt Cup, the Ebor, the Cambridgeshire etc etc. He wins with Group horses and runs them in their correct grade.
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Go back to the original….
Most punters would agree…. Starting date both codes and who wins the most races when the season ends on the set date…… The game is a circus now…anything goes…..pro cush and remember to count or your fkd…..laughable tbh…. Going gauge gadget or whatever it is,another load of b@locks tbh…….addiction to water…..zzzzz |
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I’ve got 120 winners he’s got 121,he’s the winner well done see you next year…..
But I’ve got £3 more zzzzzzzz |
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Your man townsend should be on his most favored horse in the race
Crock of crp at you don't knkw which of his horses to back he has 5 of them |
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Paul Nicholls might be on an inexorabe slide.
Tally Of Winners, Strike Rate and quality of wins. All gone south |
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As it turned out, Mullins had the title sewn up before the Bet365 Gold Cup but that does not change my view that being able to fix a handicap with multiple entries is good for racing. I don't recall Stoute or Cecil running 5+ in a handicap to keep potential rivals out of the race.
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I have just read this thread in full, and for the most part it really is an interesting debate with good arguements on both sides. Hypothetically, if a starter trainer with say 30 horses had got "lucky" because half a dozen really wealthy owners have decided to send him/her the majority of these 30 and they happen to go on to win the majority of the big races that season between them....does that make him/her worthy of the title of champion trainer,should the total value of prizemoney won exceed anyone else's?
Personally I don't think so. Maybe someone could explain why champion jockeys titles are decided on number of winners, whereas champion trainers titles are decided on amount of prizemoney won?  |
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The simple fact is that there are plenty of trainers who could do what Mullins has done with the same resources so the "Genius" moniker is hardly accurate. Give some on here different sizes of buckets of dung to throw at a wall and probably odds on the one with the biggest bucket would get more to stick on a wall.
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I am inclined to agree with your first sentence.
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Zzzzzz
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Wake up you .... and try and contribute something interesting for a change.
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Having said that...you do talk some sense/truth on topics outside of racing
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I was referring to yourself and Cagliari……
Yawn… Cagliari,once again you failed to appear at Scone….I was looking out for you to no avail….all blow tbh… |
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layemall 27 Apr 25 16:35
Having said that...you do talk some sense/truth on topics outside of racing ?? |
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Ah,you mean the undocumented rodents….
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Your recent thread that is getting a few posts on it. Common sense ain't so common, and some of us can see what is going on around us and others refuse to see it until it affects them or a member of their family or friends, in a v negative way.
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Strange that you wait for things that were never ordained Quixall and yet avoid your own sisters calamity regardless of the thread?
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layemall 27 Apr 25 16:41
Your recent thread that is getting a few posts on it. Common sense ain't so common, and some of us can see what is going on around us and others refuse to see it until it affects them or a member of their family or friends, in a v negative way. Deary me….. |
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Keep taking the pills....that are obviouly not working.......or should I say, get your prescription changed?!....hmmmmm, which option should you choose?
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All is fine this end….no pills required ta
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Glad to hear it. Anyway, total number of winners or total prizemoney for the trainers championship and why?.....and which is morally the right system?.....zat is zee big question!
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Most winners seems the fairest but still means a small pool, ratio of winners to runners would be a fairer measure of a trainers ability in the placing of horses but even then a minimum threshold would be required to reflect actuality.
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I prefer the original….
Start to finish with the most winners…….both codes…. I month NH break… |
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Skelton floods the summer jumps program with dozens of horses building up a large bank of prize money when other trainers are not competing and as he has admitted himself then throwing them into the knackers yard so nothing great about that pursuit of the Championship. At least Mullins is bring class horses to the end of season UK races.
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