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Does it not bother you that the same trainer controls several horses in a race. Is it a team sport?
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Racing League?
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I explained earlier the same trainer having the 1st 3 home in the Aintree Grand National did not detract from my enjoyment of the race. I posted that not long ago on this thread. If I thought for one minute Mr Mullins was at what might be called ''funny business'' by running several horses in the same race and I wasn't enjoying watching these top class races I'd find something else to do as I have also said on this thread.
People make all sorts of accusations against different jockeys, trainers and owners and they state the game is totally corrupt yet bet race after race, day after day. They can't help themselves and that is a big part of the reason these affordability checks are going on. I don't trust every jockey and trainer but if I have the feeling they could be up to something I don't bet on that race. |
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I for one , am not suggesting corruption or even rule breaking . But it's handy to be able to crack on with the pace with a " sacrificial " horse to the advantage of another
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Classic Getaway ran only to stop Pic D'orhy getting an easy lead, Not a pretence of winning.
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I have no issue with the conditions races but when a trainer can have more than half of the runets in major handicaps,it does raise major issues for the regullators. A lot of horses were balloted out which might have won.
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My last word on this is if Mr Mullins' owners have horses that have achieved ratings high enough to qualify for a prestigious race like ''The Whitbread'' they have every right to run their horse in the event. It's then up to other trainers and owners to somehow source more talented stock so they too can enter their horses in these Premier Handicaps and be sure of a run. Reducing the average rating of the participants in such a historic horse race is the answer to nothing in my opinion. All of the horses that ran yesterday in the 4.10pm at Sandown had different owners and they pay a lot of money to buy and keep their charges and have every right to watch them compete against the best. Mr Mullins wouldn't have run any of those under his care without the permission of the owner.
Reducing the quality of the horses running in top races will lead to the race being more mediocre than previous renewals and goodness knows there are already enough mediocre races throughout the year. As a sidenote yesterday's race will always be ''The Whitbread'' to me no matter who it is sponsored by. |
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I'm a big fan of WPM and Irish racing in general, although it could be deemed unfair that a trainer who primarily relies on festivals and going mob-handed in a couple of Grand Nationals providing a large portion of his UK winnings can win the 2 recent UK championship against a rival who wins bread and butter races on a regular basis. Having said that, like many sports, Willie is the dominant force in NH racing, the same with AOB on the flat.
Timeform top 15 chasers, 2 are trained in UK, 1 in France and 13 in Ireland. Timeform top 15 hurdlers, 4 are trained in UK and 11 in Ireland. The Irish are simply better, at least at the moment, trainers, scouting agents, biggest owners etc and at least Willie and Aiden often run their better ones to compete against each other. |
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You're missing the point imo jbp. It's irrefutable that one trainer having over half the field in a prestigious race, dictating the weights, the entries, the market is not sustainable long term. An exception is fine, but if it carries on people won't bother buying horses and entering them if all that happens is you come up against the Mullins wall. It is ironic obviously that he still got stuffed in the race, which softened the blow somewhat.
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Andrew, I'm not sure many people are that bothered about the trainer championship per se, but it's the impact on racing that is has, with Mullins seemingly so keen to win it. As I've stated before, the system encourages the flooding of races with big money for the places. This level of control is unprecedented, and does need rule changing imo. Counting win only prize money would be the first step I would go with.
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Spare some thought for the owner they obviously give him the go ahead….bill payer has the power…..
The gentleman of the turf comes over and takes the easy pickings big deal…. I actually feel for the man being tormented by gravy train…..give him breathing space with his staff and family ffs… AOB is next in line to be drowned in gravy along with the Gosden family…..desperate times ahead…. They even poke the nose in the saddling boxes ffs…. |
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There is such a thing as killing the golden goose. Irish jumps racing needs UK jumps racing to be buoyant. If it carries on in this direction, he will just be picking over the carcase.
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Most other sports have restrictions in place to prevent this sort of attempted monopolization, football an obvious example. It has got to the stage where something needs to be done because having this fella hoovering up everything in sight is killing the game.
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Restrictions,apart from ripping fodder…
Planning for 5 team from each league for champions league……no restrictions there tbh… 5th and average you get into Europe….lol ffs |
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I’m talking about a real football league, you seem to be thinking about Scot pish
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Real ! Lol
I’m talking about the one down south which is drowning in foreign…. |
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The Irish head to uk and plunder riches
Foreign players plunder the so called premier and soak up the vomit inducing sums,and couldn’t give two hoots for fodder… Keep paying.. |
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Just the usual Scots bile and bitterness, keep watching Alloa vs Falkirk
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I've no doubt the same has been said about Martin Pipe, Michael Dickinson etc. The races are there to be won-is Willie supposed to give up the chance of a second trainers championship because another name should be on the trophy?
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No surprise that one of his biggest backers is Rich Ricci, the yanks love a monopoly.
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It’s well known that owning horses is not exactly known for being profitable outside of the big players if you take away the outside chance of hitting it big with greedy sods like Mullins and his owners flooding all the big races then no wonder the game is in big trouble with 3 and 4 runner fields now being commonplace.
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just picking up on ciders point about how you determine the championship, just on a quick check (and someone can go and do it in detail in case i made an error), i've got mullins ahead on win only prize money as well as total prize money
a great number of skeltons winners are low earners through the winter, 3 to 6k races etc |
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CaptainCristy 27 Apr 25 08:41
Just the usual Scots bile and bitterness, keep watching Alloa vs Falkirk Bile and bitterness lol Bit of racism here tbh….poor stuff tbf.. |
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CaptainCristy 27 Apr 25 08:50
It’s well known that owning horses is not exactly known for being profitable outside of the big players if you take away the outside chance of hitting it big with greedy sods like Mullins and his owners flooding all the big races then no wonder the game is in big trouble with 3 and 4 runner fields now being commonplace. Disgusting comment….idiot |
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I know it is difficult for you to be specific about anything but what exactly was ‘disgusting’ about it?
And as for ‘racism’, clearly you don’t even know what racism is. |
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“greedy sod like Mullins “
He has a job to do you fool…..what do you expect/want ? For him to stay away plonker…. |
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Yeah, let’s have half the field in the big race just to p1ss everyone off.
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Coolmore…
Godolphin… The late gentleman of the turf Henry Cecil… Retired Michael Stoute Vincent O’Brien ….. The list is endless…. Swallowed up the big races for decades… Fortunately punters never noticed the likes of this bell E accusing them of being greedy sods Bell E Christy number one clown…. |
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Can’t remember any big race ‘swallowed up’ by Stoute or Cecil having half the field perhaps you sad Scots half wit can let us know.
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Racism again you fool….you are so thick you can’t help it….
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Who had 6 in the Derby you leaking colon…..ffs
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Please advise the year and size of the field, or is that too much to ask wee willie
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Mullins owners obviously agreed to have the horse entered up you fool….
He rules simply because he is the best by a mile….. Big meeting just around the corner…he’ll plunder that too…and rightly so….. |
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Pity you can’t furnish us with some evidence for your drivel, I suggest ye gae back to yer pit.
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2020
Would you like me to show you field ? |
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1 Amhran Na Bhfiann William Buick
2 Emissary Jim Crowley 3 English King Frankie Dettori 4 Gold Maze David Egan 5 Highland Chief Ben Curtis 6 Kameko Oisin Murphy 7 Khalifa Sat Tom Marquand 8 Max Vega Harry Bentley 9 Mogul Ryan Moore 10 Mohican Heights Andrea Atzeni 11 Mythical James Doyle 12 Pyledriver Martin Dwyer 13 Russian Emperor Seamie Heffernan 14 Serpentine Emmet McNamara 15 Vatican City Padraig Beggy 16 Worthily Martin Harley Investec Derby betting bet365: 5-2 English King, 4 Kameko, 5 Mogul, 6 Russian Emperor, 8 Vatican City, 16 Highland Chief, Pyledriver, 20 Mohican Heights, 25 bar Run along now… |
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I’ve had a good look through, nope, no sign of any Stoute runners.
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I have to go now head in the form book…..
Have a profitable day…. |
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Coolmore tho…..tbf….
Plundering….imv…Bla |
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They are just as bad, running multiple runners, pacemakers, blockers.
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