God the bs you filthy nazi traitors to your parents and this country's past lap up is a sight to behold!

Have any of you heard of the Treaty of Versailles - I doubt it so here goes? It was the treaty imposed on the beaten nation after ww1 that laid the foundations for ww2 as it was too onerous on the losers who hated it from the start. This war isn't even over and Trump declares the loser and Ukraine has to accept his terms for nothing in return?

Do you think the 'brave Ukrainian people' that Trump and you lot parrot to  insult them will accept the deal, roll over like Trump and say to the Us and Russia - here have my country? This 'deal 'will go nowhere near to ending the war and it shows a tremendous lack of knowledge of human history and even the human condition to think the Ukranian people will accept this. WHETHER ZALENSKYY TAKES A DUMP ON TRUMPS HEAD IN THE OVAL OFFICE OR NOT!

Then you should consider, that as the US has ended all responsibility to protect its friends, who will become responsible, who will pay for that and the effect that will have on this country. Not just in Ukraine.

You obv want your grandchildren to fight in a war (its not like you had to despite winning ww2 on your own even tho you weren't born yet!)  as that is the only consequence of Trumps actions. The fact you lot are actively supporting a policy that at the best is going to cost this country many billions and a few hundred lives should make you ashamed to be such traitorous filth. I know it won't.

Sad to say, but that's a pretty accurate summary.

Are the BBC running scared of Trump? I heard their report, and if you took it at face value then you would think it was a 50/50 spat. That couldn't be further from the truth. All Zelensky did was try to stand up for Ukraine, and he couldn't get a word in. It was a horrible watch. The people that discredited the Office were Trump and Vance. Nobody else will sort the mess out because Trump has surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men. 

Europe needs to take a long look at itself. Crawling doesn't work, it just massages the ego. The only special relationship Trump has ever had is with himself. He is like a spoilt child who nobody ever called out. Some of the rubbish he comes out with would embarrass a school playground. Is it any surprise that he championed by some on here?

If he can't even acknowledge Russia as the aggressor, that's the stumbling block, not Zelensky. Why are journalists not hammering that point?

Correct again dd.

Trump and Vance have set back World peace by years with their inexcusable behaviour. A couple of

petulant 10 year old bullies. Their total ignorance of how the World would react is typically

American. They simply don't understand or attempt to understand anyone outside of their own country.

On CNN Friday, Rubio said the way the Russia-Ukraine war ends is that “you get people to negotiating table, and the President, who’s the ultimate dealmaker, knows you don’t get people to a negotiating table when you’re calling them names and you’re accusing them of things, because at the end of the day, this is not a political campaign, okay?”

He is literally describing Trumps 'deal making' tactics throughout his life. What was it Trump said about Zal a few days ago?

Look the coordinating press releases seconds after Zal left - anyone that thinks this wasn't a set up needs to take a seriously hard look at themselves!

The USA benefitted from spending money on the defence of the free west as it benefitted their economy. Europe has been Americanized since the first world war. Trump is reversing this process. USA will save money on one hand but will lose far more on the other as America is increasingly seen as a pariah state. It’s really stupid economics but it won’t occur to Trump voters until they realize their standard of living isn’t what he promised.

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I heard a regular British visitor to the States on the radio who said that 90% of the Americans he knows there voted for Trump. They nearly all said they could not stand the man but thought he would bring down their cost of living so they voted for him. To hell with the rest of the world.

To Sage

I am 'banging on about it' because I don't think the alternative of just allowing Russia to walk all over Ukraine is a very good idea. Before Trump that would also have been the view of every President. They could see the wider picture, Trump can't see beyond himself. Europe has agreed to step up, and Trump has rewarded them by now threatening to do nothing.

In your view, the USA are the only thing that prevents Russia from 'walking all over Ukraine' ?

That’s a non-sequitur.

You are free to argue with yourself on that point. My point is about Trump and the US economy. I predict that in four years time a majority of Americans will regret that Trump is their president but they may not be able to remove him.

biggest ambush of the war, like something out of the playground.  say you're sorry or i'm no giving you your lunch money back.  say you're sorry, say you're grateful, get up and do a little dance in front of JD.

trump and vance sleepers for russia

Zelensky should have asked Trump straight up "What dirt does Putin have on you?"

What Trump isn't grasping is that Ukraine is fighting on behalf of the West and that includes America, they as the West does, believes in democracy, free speech, freedom, choice, China and Russia are oppressive regimes that must be fought against.

America is reverting to pre WW11 isolationism and their defence will suffer in due course as a result of it.

Trump & JD are sleepers for Russia? Oh, just like Russia was involved in Trump's previous election win. Which of course has now been roundly debunked as a pack of lies. But, hey don't let Facts get in the way of your TDS. As for the US Economy, if you hadn't noticed, it's already trashed, the previous administration saw to that. Absolutely no surprise to see Facts make an appearance on this one. The Trump thread he started on here was one of the most pathetic threads ever to be started on the Internet. Full of Reddit rejects seething with hatred and TDS! lol

I think you need to get your facts straight and stop repeating Trump's lies. The Republican led Senate intelligence committee after a 3 year investigation found that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.

The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

The report is the culmination of a bipartisan probe that produced what the committee called “the most comprehensive description to date of Russia’s activities and the threat they posed.” The investigation spanned more than three years as the panel’s leaders said they wanted to thoroughly document the unprecedented attack on U.S. elections.

The findings, including unflinching characterizations of furtive interactions between Trump associates and Russian operatives, echo to a large degree those of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and appear to repudiate the Republican president’s claims that the FBI had no basis to investigate whether his campaign was conspiring with Russia. Trump has called the Russia investigations a “hoax.”

While Mueller’s was a criminal probe, the Senate investigation was a counterintelligence effort with the aim of ensuring that such interference wouldn’t happen again. The report issued several recommendations on that front, including that the FBI should do more to protect presidential campaigns from foreign interference.

The report was released as two other Senate committees, the Judiciary and Homeland Security panels, conduct their own reviews of the Russia probe with an eye toward uncovering what they say was FBI misconduct in the early days of the investigation. A prosecutor appointed by Attorney General William Barr, who regards the Russia investigation with skepticism, disclosed his first criminal charge Friday against a former FBI lawyer who plans to plead guilty to altering a government email.

Among the more striking sections of the report is the committee’s description of the professional relationship between former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the committee describes as a Russian intelligence officer.

“Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat,” the report says.

The report notes how Manafort shared internal Trump campaign polling data with Kilimnik and says there is “some evidence” Kilimnik may have been connected to Russia’s effort to hack and leak Democratic emails, though that information is redacted. The report also says “two pieces of information” raise the possibility of Manafort’s potential connection to those operations, but what follows is again blacked out.

Both men were charged in Mueller’s investigation, but neither was accused of any tie to the hacking.

A Manafort lawyer, Kevin Downing, said Tuesday that information sealed at the request of Mueller’s team “completely refutes whatever the intelligence committee is trying to surmise.” He added, “It just looks like complete conjecture.”

Like Mueller, the committee reviewed a meeting Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., took in June 2016 with a Russian lawyer he believed to have connections with the Russian government with the goal of receiving information harmful to Clinton.

The Senate panel said it assessed that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has “significant connections to the Russian government, including the Russian intelligence services,” as did another participant in the meeting, Rinat Akhmetshin. The panel said it uncovered connections that were “far more extensive and concerning than what had been publicly known,” particularly regarding Veselnitskaya.

The report also found no reliable evidence for Trump’s longstanding supposition that Ukraine had interfered in the election, but did trace some of the earliest public messaging of that theory to Kilimnik and said it was spread by Russian-government proxies who sought to discredit investigations into Russian interference.

The committee said that messaging campaign lasted to “at least January 2020” — after the House had impeached Trump for pressuring Ukrainian officials to investigate the family of Democrat Joe Biden, now Trump’s general election opponent. During that effort, some Republicans, including Trump, argued Ukraine was meddling, not Russia. Trump was acquitted by the Senate.

The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as Mueller did and as the House intelligence committee’s 2018 report did, about whether there is sufficient evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to sway the election to him and away from Clinton, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.

Several Republicans on the panel submitted “additional views” to the report, saying it should state more explicitly that Trump’s campaign did not coordinate with Russia. They say that while the report shows the Russian government “inappropriately meddled” in the election, “then-candidate Trump was not complicit.”

The panel’s acting GOP chairman, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, signed on to that statement but the chairman who led the investigation, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, did not. Burr stepped aside earlier this year as the FBI was examining his stock sales.

Burr, who submitted the report before he stepped aside, often faced criticism from his GOP colleagues for working with Democrats on the probe and for summoning sensitive witnesses, such as Trump Jr.

Another Republican committee member, Maine Sen. Susan Collins, also did not sign on to the GOP statement.

Democrats submitted their own views, saying the report “unambiguously shows that members of the Trump campaign cooperated with Russian efforts to get Trump elected.”

Maine Sen. Angus King, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, did not sign on to that statement, saying he believed the report should be bipartisan. But he said in an interview that he believes the report is a “warning.”

The report is “not a hoax,” King said. “It’s just one more set of facts that’s hard to ignore.”

Mueller concluded in his report issued last year that Russia interfered in the election through hacking and a covert social media campaign and that the Trump campaign embraced the help and expected to benefit from it. But Mueller did not charge any Trump associates with conspiring with Russians.

The Senate investigation did find fault in aspects of the investigation, suggesting agents did not respond with sufficient urgency to the hacking of Democratic National Committee email servers.

The report also delved into areas of great interest to Trump that were not explored by Mueller. Those include the FBI’s reliance on opposition research on Trump’s ties to Russia that was compiled by a former British spy, Christopher Steele, whose work was financed by Democrats.

The committee found the FBI gave Steele’s “allegations unjustified credence” as it relied on the dossier of research to seek court approval to wiretap former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. It says many of the dossier’s allegations remain uncorroborated “nearly four years after Steele delivered the first of these memos.”

A separate investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general also faulted the FBI for errors and omissions related to the Steele dossier as it sought surveillance warrants.

Rubio said in a statement that the committee was troubled the FBI had been willing to use the dossier “without verifying its methodology or sourcing.”

An inch to the right…….

The ignorant one couldn’t grasp the dress code represents the battle field….the killing field….big ignorant idiot…