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By:
Trident
When: 13 Mar 24 15:59
And Mullins horses all look like they have plenty in the tank too.Excited
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 Mar 24 16:00
pumpkin's "dominance" of cheltenham, 48 winners in 25 years, max in any 1 year was 5 in 2009...just isn't comparable to this
By:
tantpis
When: 13 Mar 24 16:01
He is not scared to run them in good races in Ireland against each other,unlike here keeping them in the stables to look after them.
By:
Trident
When: 13 Mar 24 16:03
I know all these horses were short prices, but some look like they are just in 2nd gear. Its quite incredible the fitness of Mullins runners.
By:
1st time poster
When: 13 Mar 24 16:06
mullins 2,3 and 4th so basically mullins tossed the supreme away yesterday  LaughLaugh
By:
Cider
When: 13 Mar 24 16:07
pumpkin's "dominance" of cheltenham, 48 winners in 25 years, max in any 1 year was 5 in 2009...just isn't comparable to this


There's nothing quite comparable to Mullins. But as everyone knows, the festival races have been watered down giving far more options to the yard with the strongest hand to play.
By:
A_T
When: 13 Mar 24 16:13
why is mullins so good? most of his best horses are french-bred he must have good connections over there
By:
1st time poster
When: 13 Mar 24 16:35
this PAULING fav at hunt cost £350,000 and just seen the stable worldie beat a distance by the mullins rags at chelters
By:
1st time poster
When: 13 Mar 24 16:42
£350,000 gets you a well beaten 3rd in the aways at hunt , must see these owners coming over the hill
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 Mar 24 16:46
1st time poster • March 13, 2024 3:06 PM GMT
mullins 2,3 and 4th so basically mullins tossed the supreme away yesterday


supreme winner would have ran today if ballyburn ran yesterday
By:
1st time poster
When: 13 Mar 24 16:52
yep didnt factor that in
By:
1st time poster
When: 13 Mar 24 16:53
we,d have probably learned more that way round
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 Mar 24 17:02
Laugh f00kin finally
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 Mar 24 17:04
highlight of the week the filth e/w cops
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 Mar 24 17:04
TAP dec knew
By:
mrspock
When: 13 Mar 24 17:43
The elephant in the room ?

Dope testing in Ire is dire.
If they're forced to,only the small trainers are held accountable.

The big guys,are untouchable: WHY?

Because it would destroy the sport,and in Ireland it's a relatively big industry,compared to the UK.

So we carry on with lame excuses like "buying good horses" etc when anyone can go to France with a big cheque book.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 13 Mar 24 17:45
Shocked
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Mar 24 17:50
Exactly.  "anyone"!  He and his owners do it, so why don;t others.  They have the same chance.
By:
mrspock
When: 13 Mar 24 22:06
@LoyalHoncho

There are plenty of French imports in this country;they'e also got the latest facilities;I can't imagine the training  skills have vastly improved in Ireland.

So what is the missing factor?

https://businessplus.ie/news/luke-comer-horses/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/05/willie-mullins-exonerated-irish-horse-racing-officials-vet-drugs-bust
By:
mrspock
When: 13 Mar 24 22:12
Just to be clear I'm against doping everywhere.
By:
cacique
When: 13 Mar 24 22:22
Thats a bit shortsighted mrspock. Going with your logic any old gob$hite could train the sales toppers to win Champion hurldes

Maybe Mullins agents have a better "eye" for the potentially good horses. maybe he has better riders,feed, ability to spot issues. Or this is just a phase and he's getting lucky ... lot of factors.

But even if it is down to doping, i'm fairly sure the brits are testing the bejaysus out of all his horses so thats an unlikely scenario.
By:
penzance
When: 13 Mar 24 22:28
Top trainer,Some can't even get 'em there.
By:
MJK
When: 13 Mar 24 22:38

Mar 13, 2024 -- 10:12PM, mrspock wrote:


Just to be clear I'm against doping everywhere.


I've no idea if these horses are doped but I would love to know what happens to them in the time between getting bought and actually arriving at the Mullins yard. People will assume they get moved to Mullins' straight away, which isn't the case. In most cases there's a 3-4 month period in between where they disappear somewhere. To quote what I was told most arrive at the yard 'looking like beasts'.

By:
A_T
When: 13 Mar 24 22:43
i'm fairly sure the brits are testing the bejaysus out of all his horses so thats an unlikely scenario.

unlikely drug testing in racing is half-hearted to say the least
By:
mrspock
When: 13 Mar 24 22:45
I only mentioned French imports as that's given as one reason for the success; Hendo,Nicholls etc have also been known to import French horses.

And it's not just one trainer; Elliot, De Bromhead and O'Brien's son are doing very well.
Just like athletics, the tester's are far,far behind the dopers.

Jim Bolger has warned about this.
By:
mrspock
When: 13 Mar 24 22:54
@MJK Yes there's lot's of parties involved;and they all rely on each other.
By:
cacique
When: 13 Mar 24 23:20
To quote what I was told most arrive at the yard 'looking like beasts'.


vets train them and Mullins is the figurehead?
By:
MJK
When: 14 Mar 24 07:11
Mullins obviously trains them, my question was about the period in between.
By:
A_T
When: 14 Mar 24 11:20
often Willie's don't seem to progress or to endure. A couple of years from now the two Arkles we saw yesterday will probably be unseating in novice chases.
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