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By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 12 Mar 24 18:27
It didn;t come over as such.  Idiot.
By:
impossible123
When: 12 Mar 24 18:28
I think other trainers and owners in the UK need to find out where and from whom Mullins and his owners sourced their horses. I believe this would be a prudent start to arresting and then challenging their dominance.
By:
tomo1984
When: 12 Mar 24 18:29
It didn;t come over as such.  Idiot.

Why are you calling me names?

What is your problem?
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 18:30
they know where they come from, 9 times out of 10 those horses are sold subject to a run before they even deliver at a ptp or french track
By:
impossible123
When: 12 Mar 24 18:31
'tomo1984', some here take this "game" too seriously and their "supposed superior" knowledge too readily and as a gospel. Let them be...
By:
tomo1984
When: 12 Mar 24 18:34
'tomo1984', some here take this "game" too seriously and their "supposed superior" knowledge too readily and as a gospel. Let them be...

Yeah, why I very rarely post here these days.

Was such a friendly community to interact with back in the day.
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 18:35
can you send them somewhere else, yes, but if you've just shelled 500k on a purchase where's your best chance of success?
By:
tomo1984
When: 12 Mar 24 18:42
can you send them somewhere else, yes, but if you've just shelled 500k on a purchase where's your best chance of success?

So you reckon Nicholls, Hendo et al are fundamentally worse trainers, who would not be able to get the same results with the same fire power and within the same eco system?
By:
MJK
When: 12 Mar 24 18:48

Mar 12, 2024 -- 6:08PM, impossible123 wrote:


I used to be a fan of F1, and since last year I'd not be bothered. I also stopped my subscription. I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing. What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well.


And then you'd be moaning that they're winning even more races ffs

By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 18:48
where did i say that?

i think when you're dealing with the absolute top table of owners they are playing their best chance on mullins, irish top horse are mostly staying in ire, the french agents are tapping up the richest owners first, there are fewer top horses finding their way to henderson / nicholls

of course they can train & will get winners if they get the horses, but how many will they be showing us this week?
By:
tomo1984
When: 12 Mar 24 18:56
I wasn't criticising you.

Just interested in your take as to whether there was a fundamental difference in the actual ability of these people to train racehorses.

And why owners have suddenly decided that only Mullins can do it?
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 19:02
they all haven't, donnelly is still really loyal to henderson, look at the sir gino auteuil race, both the horses she bought got picked off before the race was even run, one went henderson, one went mullins, but plenty think mullins might have the better of the two, time will tell
By:
tomo1984
When: 12 Mar 24 19:06
If Salvator Mundi wins the Triumph off the back of no prep and a year off, then we might as well call time on the game now eh!!!
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 19:09
might be an interesting one esp with the cloud over nickys, maybe we can check in and see how it goes after, enjoy your week
By:
impossible123
When: 12 Mar 24 19:09
MJK, you like to speak for others unrequested. Even a psychiatrist does not have that magical ability otherwise....game over!

Salvator Mundi and Sir Gino share the same owners - the Donnellys. Are they old money?
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 19:11
joe donn was an irish bookmaker
By:
MJK
When: 12 Mar 24 19:15

Mar 12, 2024 -- 7:09PM, impossible123 wrote:


MJK, you like to speak for others unrequested. Even a psychiatrist does not have that magical ability otherwise....game over!Salvator Mundi and Sir Gino share the same owners - the Donnellys. Are they old money?


What you're basically saying is if I'm not winning I'm taking my ball home. As I suggested before maybe all Irish runners should have to start 50 yards behind UK ones. Would that make you feel better?

By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 19:15
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17284999/cheltenham-festival-shishkin-owner-joe-donnelly/

piece there outlines the property / art they went into when they sold up
By:
elise
When: 12 Mar 24 19:16
mjk, i think they'd still win lol
By:
impossible123
When: 12 Mar 24 19:19
'elise', thanks for the info.

MJK, you're always "suggesting" about others. You're either a virtual psyche, or extremely nosey. Whichever,... you're binned!
By:
MJK
When: 12 Mar 24 19:21

Mar 12, 2024 -- 7:19PM, impossible123 wrote:


'elise', thanks for the info.MJK, you're always "suggesting" about others. You're either a virtual psyche, or extremely nosey. Whichever,... you're binned!


Suggesting? It's what you're basically looking for.

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