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Cheltenham Day 1
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Your very popular Imp.
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That was decisive from Lossiemouth. She must go Champion Hurdle next race even in Punchestown.
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0-140 hcap hurdle & chase for non-novice mares...everything else fck off to the races they should be in
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Highlight of the day so far is the Mullins "you have to turn up to win" burn of Hendo.
Well it's easy to be a smug git when you have a virtual monopoly on all the top equine talent around. One goes down, up steps another. |
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I presume a few on here didn`t enjoy Frankel winning over and over again.
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I presume a few on here didn`t enjoy Frankel winning over and over again.
How is one freak flat horse relevant to the current state of the NH game? |
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That could put statman in cart pull him still won champion
Salty he was when chzmpman asked the question |
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Just enjoy watching good horses at the highest level.
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Just enjoy watching good horses at the highest level.
It's not the highest level though is it! You have one trainer with a monopoly, who splits his horses up across a diluted and bloated program. |
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One thing I would not call Mullins is a "smug git".
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Could be the same tomorrow so best not watch.
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Felt it’s bigger picture that the problem here
Agree lovely seeing great horses win But monopoly of it Won’t be long everythink bypass Cheltenham Aintree 3 days far better anyway |
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tomo 4.25pm nail on head
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[:tongue out:
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The one/two in the GB jumps trainers classification combine for a whopping one runner today and that's in a handicap.
A bit better tomorrow, with nine tomorrow, although four of them are in the bumper. Four of Skelton's five are in handicaps. Maybe all this is irrelevant and people don't care? Seems like it's not changing any time soon though. |
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It's up to everybody else to catch up with Mullins. How many different facets of the business must he excel at to be this dominant? People should admire it, even if they don't like it.
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Nah, it's beholden on the powers that be to step in at some point for the health of the product as a whole.
Take F1 for example, Max and Red Bull are unbelievably good and as a purist you love to see what they are doing, but the average fan is grumbling and moaning week in and week out now that it is boring and predictable. That is why they always end up changing the rules to cap one team's dominance after a while. Lack of competition kills any sport in the end. |
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So what would you actually do to hinder Mullins?
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Sad state of affairs really.
Hoping the next three days are a bit more interesting. I have to laugh, so I do.  If watching top class horses, reproducing their top class form, trained to the minute by a genius isn;t "interesting" you should go and watch Countdown instead - and don;t bother the rest of us.  |
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No idea!!
That is the problem. What can you do really? They tried with the limit on runners from one owner idea, but that died pretty quickly!! You could cap it for trainers runners per race I guess. There would be complaining at first and then owners would magically start spreading their horses around to different trainers I bet. Would take very strong leadership from the BHA et al and we all know that isn't happening any time soon. |
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Well go and point out to us a sport that has died because of a perceived "lack of competition"?
Then point out to us where the lack of competition is here this week. Please. I want to learn. |
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Four G1s today.
Mullins won three. Brits managed a solitary third place finished in all those races combined. Top fives for Brits. Supreme - 0 Arkle - 1 (4th) CH - 1 (3rd) Mares - 1 (5th) Top fives for Mullins in those races combined - 9 It that is a sign of the sport being in a good place, then fine, whatever you say. |
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One GB horse finished in the Boodles. If you are a fan of Irish racing then it must be great but unless there are a couple of GB runners with a chance I rarely have a bet and I am only half watching. My only bets on Irish horses were in the Supreme as GB had absolutely no chance but Tullyhill was awful and Mystical Power evens a place it didn't help much. Thankyou god for the Ultima which allowed me to finish just ahead. What strikes me most is how the Irish horses seem to take off once they see the hill while the GB ones stop. Must be a fitness difference.
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I think it was two.
Fergal's and Jack Jones runner. So it's all good!! |
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Must be a fitness difference.
That is what they said about Lance. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles!! |
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I used to be a fan of F1, and since last year I'd not be bothered. I also stopped my subscription.
I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing. What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well. |
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F1 proper boring **** befor it went to one man show
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I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing.
What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well. Great points and I totally agree. Was thinking about the Melbourne Cup changes just earlier. |
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Every half decent trainer knows how to get a horse fit.
There is no magic involved, especially with all the science now available and baseline numbers you can refer back to. |
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Any trainer can get a good horse run to their merit. But, a good trainer can get the same horse run faster.
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When Jack Nicklaus won just about everything we applauded his genius. When Tiger Woods won just about everything we applauded him. When Brazil won World Cup after World Cup we applauded their genius. When Liverpool won just about everything we applauded them. When Usain Bolt won just about everything we applauded his genius. etc; etc; etc; All successes born from/of talent, skill and damned hard work, and all sports still thriving by the way.
Fine if you don;t like Willie Mullins say so but don't lament the fact that every trainer has the same chance as him to attract the best owners and thus the best horses. And they do. They just don;t have the talent. At first the word you used was "uninteresting", now it's "he's bad for racing". lmao. |
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But, a good trainer can get the same horse run faster.
With magic carrots? |
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or maybe he just gets sent the best horses
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"Magic carrots"? What an rsshole you are.
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Sir Cecil went thro' a lean spell not because of his health, why? He did not have the same firepower as previous eg Sheikh Mo, Wilderstein, Aga Khan, Abdulla to name four; the Donnellys have horses with Hendo and Mullins.
The horses doing the talking, or the trainers? |
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"Magic carrots"? What an rsshole you are.
No need for that, it was a light hearted joke. |
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or maybe he just gets sent the best horses
Obviously. The skill is in sourcing the horses. Much respect for that. But no reason to send them all to Mullins. You telling me there are not plenty of trainers who would get the same results with the same ammo? If so, that means that there is some incredibly complex training plan, that only one person can come up with. |