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Bianca Williams gets a driving ban and 18 penalty points...
Bianca Williams gets a driving ban and 18 penalty points...
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that former Lib Dem MP was involved in something like that impossible (i think)...
Chris Hoon i think... he was married to the greek economist wifey or something like that. |
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A former MP who was jailed for perverting the course of justice has written about her struggles in prison. Fiona Onasanya said she found interrupted sleep, "measly meals like spaghetti hoops" and a lack of almond milk hard during her month behind bars. The ex-Peterborough MP for Labour was jailed in January 2019 and became the first to be removed by a recall petition in May. She now hopes to "become a voice" for the women she met in prison. Ms Onasanya became the first sitting MP in nearly three decades to be jailed when she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket. She was given a three-month sentence and served a month of it. Her brother Festus Onasanya was jailed for 10 months after pleading guilty to the same charge. 'This ain't Costa' Ms Onasanya's book is described as a "candid account of life both behind and beyond the door as a sitting MP". She recalls her naivety about the legal high Spice, claiming she told a prison officer she used it "all the time", after assuming he meant "seasonings like salt and pepper". During her first breakfast at HMP Bronzefield in Middlesex she claims she was ridiculed by another inmate, who shouted "This ain't Costa" after she asked for almond milk or "soya if there's no alternatives". |
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Fiona Onasanya, the MP for Peterborough, was accused of colluding with her brother to avoid having three points added to her driver’s licence by claiming that a former lodger had been driving her Nissan Micra when it was found travelling at 41mph in a 30mph zone.
Police established the former lodger was in Russia at the time of the offence. Ooops. Not immediately evident why the brother got more than triple the driver herself. |
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i don't think dave will like you bringing that up Cider...
R word could be coming soon ? |
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On 3 February 2012, Huhne resigned from the Cabinet when he was charged with perverting the course of justice over a 2003 speeding case. His wife at the time, Vicky Pryce, had falsely claimed that she was driving the car, and accepted the licence penalty points on his behalf so that he could avoid being banned from driving. Huhne denied the charge until the trial began on 4 February 2013 when he changed his plea to guilty, resigned as a member of Parliament, and left the Privy Council.[75][76][77] He and Pryce were sentenced at Southwark Crown Court on 11 March to eight months in prison for perverting the course of justice.[78] He served nine weeks[79] of this sentence at HMP Leyhill in Gloucestershire before he was released.
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Wesdag • December 5, 2023 5:49 PM GMT
Any reason why she wasn't done for perverting the course of justice? Give us a laugh, why would that happen? |
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impossible asked if anyone could remember the more recent one, HH. I recall the Huhne one as well. Vicky Pryce has returned to the media as an economics 'expert'. iirc she worked at the treasury.
I imagine what starts off seeming like a minor misdemeanour, ends up a deep hole with a big shovel, and eventually a life changing one. |
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Thanks 'Cider and HappyHippy'. These privileged individuals think they'll be believed and justice will escape them. How can they have forgotten the Lord who made a fraudulent insurance claim for losing his collection of cars in a fire? Or Jonathan Aitken.
As for Ms Onasanya that was as stupid and arrogant one could ever imagine. It was only a speeding ticket! |
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HappyHibby • December 5, 2023 6:43 PM GMT
i don't think dave will like you bringing that up Cider... R word could be coming soon Why would I remotely think that was anything to do with racism? btw this is what I originally said dave1357 • December 5, 2023 2:33 PM GMT It's a thinly veiled racist thread, penzance, so you should know these are acceptable on horse racing forum. Which was a dig at the dailymailish nature of the off-topic threads on this forum. |
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Huhne and Pryce were a strange combination imv.
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One of the best '24 hours in police custody' was a privileged rich arrogant surgeon, who set out to commit insurance fraud. Anthony McGrath. Now that was delicious justice. The police did an amazing job.
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I think Ms Pryce was persuaded or coerced by Mr Huhne for taking the rap; Mr Huhne looked smug and I hated that smirk of his.
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Huhne wasn't a particularly likeable chap when he was in Westminster imv impossible...
think he would have been a hard person to work for. |
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'Cider', I watched that episode. The surgeon was so stupid; the idiot "hid" the items in his family home I believe. Also, the break-in broken window was so unconvincing. And, he was arrogant to the end too.
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Yes, he was smart but his arrogance made him complacent. It was a real life episode of Columbo.
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Scant information as to the original offences and possible these might still be maybe not the end of the saga. As to perverting the course of justice it was a fair question from wesdag as simply lying or omitting to provide information about even a speeding offence can lead to such a charge.
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* pending.
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CagliariG • December 5, 2023 7:27 PM GMT
Scant information as to the original offences and possible these might still be maybe not the end of the saga. As to perverting the course of justice it was a fair question from wesdag as simply lying or omitting to provide information about even a speeding offence can lead to such a charge It is utterly absurd to suggest that by simply not responding she is perverting the course of justice. There would be thousands charged with that offence if it was remotely possible. |
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What is absurd about stating a fact Dave iyo?
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What is absurd about stating a fact Dave iyo?
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it isn't a fact. The woman didn't respond. She was convicted of not responding like everyone else who doesn't respond.
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*barring loophole finders
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Still twisting things Dave, where did I mention "Her" iyo?
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As to perverting the course of justice it was a fair question from wesdag as simply lying or omitting to provide information about even a speeding offence can lead to such a charge
Wesdag • December 5, 2023 5:49 PM GMT Any reason why she wasn't done for perverting the course of justice? So who are you talking about? |
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Is this like "it's a fair question as killing someone with a gun can lead to a charge of murder"
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Simply stating the law that applies to everyone in England Dave including her if you want to be pedantic, fact nonetheless which you deny!!
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And the law has been indeed applied.
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Yes, I also watched that, I think he got caught out by the pictures he took of the antiques that were taken AFTER being reported stolen, you see a lot of fraudsters doing the same not realising the photos can be examined for the time they were taken, I thinks it's called meta data or something like that.
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It’s possible this bianca woman overlooked/missed the opportunity to respond to these requests for information about a driving offence assumed, but latterly denied by her to have been her.
But in the round it doesn’t look good. Having already accumulated 11pts and her license hanging by a thread, she clearly has some kind of ‘previous’. From the article she didn’t claim any negligence or malpractice regarding the issuing of the charge, so it’s on her, a fact she apparently accepts. If she previously declared it wasn’t her driving while still not adequately responding with the details of who was, then she is daft regarding the potential consequences. It’s only natural to be suspicious given the information in the article. Why would you take such a risk, especially when she has already been in the news and I’d assume is subsidised by some kind of funding due to her national running thing (I’ve only heard of her for the allegations against the police) Using the mentioning of the Olympics in her clemency plea would be enough for this to be made a public interest case, nothing to do withe her race. |
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Out of interest.
Was it ever contested by mr dos santos that his driving had been both ‘suspicious’ and ‘appalling’ and been the origin of the police stopping them on the night the police alleged the smell of cannabis? |
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*just seen in her plea she suggested she had left the response to others.
Hmmm? If there isn’t deceit somewhere in here, there’s a whole load of irresponsibility. And a theme about driving problems by somebody. |
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Alexa ‘ which side of the road do they drive on in portugal?’
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She was asked 3x to respond/reply but she chose not too. Her 11-point category perhaps? Ignorance of the law is no excuse otherwise any offender would use the argument to try and wriggle out of a legal situation; using the Olympic as mitigation is so naive, arrogant and disrespectful to the authority and other offenders.
I think this episode shows the character of Ms Williams and/or her advisors. The DVSA ought to have stipulated a new driving test is necessary to validate her suitability - practically and legally - to be allowed on the roads given her 11-point accumulation prior to suspension. |
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Self driving car?
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No, that was in mitigation.(Olympics) The Argument about perverting course of justice usually concerns an indictable offence. And probably more at the trial phase than investigation stage, although perjury comes into play then too.
The issue with the letters re traffic offences is the way they are set out, they often require basic admissions of fact that could lead to one perjuring one self, ie the person you say was driving did not have a licence or insurance ect. So right to remain silent/non response brings in the seperate offence which states that the registered keeper is liable for said offence. Which was being abused by companies and organisations, pool cars, we don't know who was driving, although an individual could say the keys were on the table in house and another set were somewhere else and various ubnamed people had permission to use vehicle, but that's not getting you off with a speeding ticket. Interestingly the defendents tried to say the vehicle was acting autonomously when it undertook the police vehicle, Which was proven to be false but does potentially open a can of worms. Anyway I think she has some neck...  |
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Nevertheless, the DVSA was correct to add an additional 18-points to her already large 11 points; using the qualification for The Olympic was an embarrassment and smacked of superiority. The ban or suspension is to punish, inconvenience and educate the offender. Hopefully she'll learn from it, and move on.
I think Ms Williams is extremely lucky not to have to retake her driving and theory test at the end of this ban. I hope she's been asked to attend an "awareness course" prior ot post ban; her driving record is below average, and her credibility is shot and her law abidingness could only improved. Ms Williams, just deal with it positively. Anything else is non-productive and could be detrimental. |
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dustybin Joined: 29 Dec 08
Replies: 2570106 Dec 23 04:17 Out of interest. Was it ever contested by mr dos santos that his driving had been both ‘suspicious’ and ‘appalling’ and been the origin of the police stopping them on the night the police alleged the smell of cannabis? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ dustybin... sky news did a piece on it... here it is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f_u64_E5sw all i would say is that if the cops were up my backside (and it looked pretty obvious they wanted the car to pull over) i would stop immediately and let them do whatever it was they wanted to do/say. i was stopped one night years ago... i'd had a couple of small glasses of something... i stopped immediately and did a breath test... no issues so i carried on... why this pair didn't do that is something i don't understand at all tbh. |
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LOL Hibby suddenly a lawyer, just to advise you hibby an offence e.g getting caught by a speed camera and lying on the NIPs is sufficient to instigate a possible conspiracy to pervert the course of justice investigation and perjury occurs when lying under oath i.e in court.
Hth |