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By:
sageform
When: 05 Dec 23 18:01
That looks an above average race dd. I would lean towards Spirit Bay getting the maiden allowance. NTD is in good form and after a winner at Wincanton, perhaps Jim Old's luck will hold. Bertie's Ballet is also not far behind on RPR so it is very much a 5 horse race on paper.
By:
differentdrum
When: 05 Dec 23 18:30
Just noticed that Honeyball is responsible for 5/11 in Wincanton's junior bumper on Thursday. Very unusual for a trainer to run that many in a race of this type. Hasn't made it easy for punters with the jockey bookings either, and they all have reasonable pedigrees.
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Dec 23 10:00
Disappointing to lose Haydock. You would have thought last week would have been more difficult, but this week has been a disaster, and plenty more wet weather to come this week. I managed to get a little over 3/1 Lump Sum, and last night it was smashed up. All the abandonment does is give the bookmakers a free steer for next time.
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Dec 23 11:04
Just reading that A Dream To Share - clear favourite for the Supreme - is out until at least the New Year. It seemed the horse met with a setback several weeks ago, but nobody had said anything which is about par for the course with this outfit. I wouldn't be surprised if the news has only broken now because someone found out, and was going to reveal it.
By:
sageform
When: 06 Dec 23 11:32
Really sorry that Haydock is off. It looked a good card for Wednesday. It will have to be Andrew Balding again.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 06 Dec 23 12:42
It has been in the public domain that A Dream To Share had picked up a knock and wouldn't be seen for the first half of the season since he was declared a non runner back in October.
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Dec 23 12:48
I didn't know about it. If that was true then why an announcement now.

https://www.attheraces.com/news/2023/December/05/a-dream-to-share-sidelined-until-the-new-year

If it had been announced you wouldn't just say the same thing again. That would be pointless.
By:
differentdrum
When: 07 Dec 23 17:16
Chapeau De Soleil made all, and eventually ran out an easy winner on hurdling debut. He looked very awkward getting in close on a couple of occasions (same flight), but seemingly, had plenty left in the tank when pulling clear. Given that this was on very testing ground I wouldn't have thought you would be going back in trip.
By:
differentdrum
When: 07 Dec 23 18:28
Of the Grade 1 one tracks, I get least excited by what Sandown has to offer. The slog up the hill on testing ground is not a great spectacle, and chances are that is what is going to be served up over the next two days. I suppose in a very poor week, something is better than nothing.

Just the two races of interest tomorrow, and very likely both will be decided by who copes best with the conditions. No bet races.

Had the ground been the total opposite I would have been firmly in the Josh The Boss camp. As it is I don't think throwing him at this race is a very wise move. After ruling him out, not sure any of the others are Grade 3 level, let alone Grade 2. The favourite looks plenty short enough, but it really is a pin job. If forced I would go with Personal Ambition who at least has boosted form, and finished his race off strongly.

For most of his chasing debut Stay Away Fay looked like getting beat. You would hope he can travel a bit better tomorrow. I wonder if, even on this ground, Giovinco might have a bit too much class for him. The Changing Man looks the part, but has just found too many ways to lose, and a soft finish is unlikely to suffice tomorrow.
By:
sageform
When: 08 Dec 23 08:04
I like Sandown as a test but not on desperate ground. Insurrection has the best RPR in the Grade 2 so he will do for me. The novice handicap at 3.35 is competitive. Impact de Bonheur is getting quite a lot of weight from the other fancied ones. Southoftheborder beat him 20 lengths so if he wins today then Impact will shorten.
By:
geoff m
When: 08 Dec 23 08:50
Brandy is correct .Been a good while since it was announced hed had a knock and would be New Year b4 reappearance.
By:
differentdrum
When: 08 Dec 23 11:44
Irrespective of whether it is correct, it makes no sense to be making the same announcement twice, particularly from this outfit. Something must have sparked this off. I can't imagine Frank Berry sitting at home thinking he must make another announcement unless he was pushed.
By:
sageform
When: 08 Dec 23 13:59
Well well. Thought that Insurrection was home for all money at the last but Skeltons on fire today. The winner looked a proper stayer.
By:
sageform
When: 08 Dec 23 14:35
Stay away Fay is a proper chaser. Does not pull so the others seem to be travelling better but he really jumps and stays.
By:
differentdrum
When: 08 Dec 23 15:36
Sticking with what I said before each of today's races.

Don't think that was a good renewal of the Grade 2, and I fancy had it been run on decent ground then Josh The Boss would have won. Hopefully, this experience hasn't set him back too much. Personal Ambition par for the course for Woods. Beats a shortie last time, half the price today, and is effectively beaten after a couple of hurdles. Pauling said he had worked on his jumping. Obviously, not anywhere near enough.

Giovinco looked a classier sort than Stay Away Fay until he was hampered by the loose horse, but the ground and track has decided the result. On reasonable ground in March, I would expect several runners to have too many gears for Stay Away Fay. If they want to win a race, I would go National Hunt Chase, but of course Nicholls wouldn't consider that idea. Powell on the deck again. Huge pressure on tomorrow. He badly needs to deliver on JPR One. No excuses.
By:
sageform
When: 08 Dec 23 17:55
With Stay Away Fay for the Brown Advisory, Hermes Allen might have to go Turners where I think he will be outspeeded.
By:
differentdrum
When: 08 Dec 23 20:56
That would be my thought. Unless we are talking very soft then likely they will both be outpaced. Hermes Allen should go Brown Advisory and Stay Away Fay to the National Hunt Chase. Nicholls comes across as a very stubborn character who when he makes a plan - however misguided - he just won't change course. I suspect most around him are frightened to disagree fo fear of getting both barrels.
By:
differentdrum
When: 08 Dec 23 22:40
Novices and bumpers very thin on the ground tomorrow.

The first division of the Chepstow novice is much the better of the two. The Jukebox Man looks the one to beat, but for me the presence of Woods back in the saddle, prevents a bet. Village Master appeared on my pointers list, more for his pedigree than his point runs. He did show some promise, particularly on the second occasion when looking a strong stayer. Everything changed very late in that race. The booking of O'Brien doesn't inspire too much confidence. If he copes with the ground Walk In The Hills should prove difficult to beat in the bumper. Ski Lodge was flattered to finish so close on his only point start as the winner veered sharply after the last. That said he finished well in advance of Jurancon who then went on to win nicely in October.

My Trump Card will go off very short for the Navan bumper. I am a bit surprised they are persisting in bumpers, but he should be good enough tomorrow. Mullins and Elliott teaming up. I don't recall that happening very often. Aclass was also on my pointers list. He hasn't completed, but has shown more than enough to have won a point.

Only bet tomorrow is JPR One. I had backed You Wear It Well without Constitution Hill at Newcastle, but haven't bothered this time.

Let's hope we don't have another washout.
By:
differentdrum
When: 09 Dec 23 09:52
It wasn't the greatest days racing before Henderson pulled the plug on his runners.

I know trainers are supposed to do the best for their horses, but the decision makes Constitution Hill look weak. It already feels like a nonsense that we only see him a couple times a season, and that in the main, for little more than exercise canters. I am guessing after the little scare at Aintree that we will not see him back up in trip, at least against decent opposition. Predictably, he then ducked the idea of going chasing. It seems as if so much is governed by a fear of defeat. He can't have it easy enough. I can't think of him in the same way as the hurdlers who ran in the vintage era. He is just too soft, and those around him appear to be cut from a similar cloth.
By:
differentdrum
When: 09 Dec 23 09:59
Mentioned a few to watch today, another would be Industrialist in the Aintree opener. Don't expect him to go close today, but if I remember correctly he was the usual Hemmings future chasing type.
By:
differentdrum
When: 09 Dec 23 17:34
Not a day that will live long in the memory.

I ended up adding Aclass and Jurancon to JPR One for a small loss on the day.

To start with I think it is worth giving a mention to The Imposter. I would far sooner see column inches given over to the likes of him, rather than horses who rarely turn up.

Industrialist did have the look of a chaser, but is miles off the finished article. Who knows whether he ever will be, but if he is it is likely to be over fences, and upped in trip. My Trump Card easily won what was probably a pretty weak bumper. I would imagine the stable made a few quid each way on Aclass and Jackmoon. The jockey bookings told the story, and Aclass never looked likely to beat his stablemate. At Chepstow, it was a shame that The Jukebox Man didn't run. Bit of a surprise as well given he had form on soft and heavy. Village Master conceded cheap lengths at the start, and was never really at the races. I will carry on monitoring his progress, but post Sheehan, the jocks the trainer now uses makes it difficult to have anything more than a watching interest. I ended up backing Jurancon on the basis of him being very strong in the market relative to Ski Lodge. Not easy in those conditions, and he looked a thorough stayer in pulling clear of his old rival. He should make a nice staying novice, and perhaps a Welsh National horse in a few years. Pipe badly needs a good horse. The favourite didn't get home again, and probably wants a better surface. Not too excited by anything at Sandown. Not So Sleepy ended up with nothing to beat in the Fighting Fifth. The front two in the market were pretty woeful. I haven't quite given up on JPR One for the Arkle. He is a speed horse and ground/track would have been totally against that sort of horse today. That said I could do with Tizzard waking up to the idea of using Gingell on the better horses. Loyalty can sometimes be applauded, but Powell is going nowhere. At top level you need ability and confidence, and he appears lacking in both departments. Jonbon got the job done, but not much more than that. I can't imagine El Fabiolo is too worried.

Just to mention in the last few days I have added four more for the Festival:-

Ballyburn (Ballymore, as I write this Willie is probably chalking him down for another two mile novice)
Chapeau De Soleil (Aibert Bartlett)
Halka Du Tabert (Mares Chase)
Envoi Allen (Ryanair)
By:
differentdrum
When: 09 Dec 23 21:13
Not much tomorrow.

The Festival bumper seventh and eighth clash at Cork. Western Diego has been keen (wears a hood), and my efforts to get No Time To Wait running on a sound surface have fallen on deaf ears, so perhaps a shock isn't out of the question. I don't think it's a strong renewal of the listed bumper at Huntingdon. The ex-Irish horse is probably the right favourite, almost by a process of elimination.

I see Dave Jennings got excited by Indiana Dream today which from what I have seen of his track record is a burden for any horse. It was lucky survive a shocking blunder at the fourth, and from then on looked to be the only runner that really enjoyed the conditions. Raced very sparingly, and never on anything faster than soft. Not really a profile to get too far ahead of yourself with.
By:
differentdrum
When: 10 Dec 23 13:39
No Time To Wait ran out a comfortable winner, and not too surprisingly Western Diego bombed. I am sticking to the idea that the winner wants better ground, at least until he proves otherwise. Perhaps the slower ground does help with his very poor jumping technique. He doesn't seem to use himself as you would hope. He actually lost less ground when he crashed through them. He doesn't look ready for too much of a step up in class at the moment.

Not much on offer again tomorrow.

Big fields at Ayr where useful bumper winners, Florida Dreams and Esprit Du Potier compete in the two divisions of the maiden hurdle. Of the two I would be more hopeful of Florida Dreams. Esprit Du Potier was very ponderous on hurdling debut, and he could never dominate as he did in bumpers. He also looked like he wanted a step up in trip.
By:
penzance
When: 10 Dec 23 14:08
Mahons Way,went out like a light.Ground or trip maybe,thought that would win
today.
Stable had a nice wnr yesterday in Slade Steel.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 10 Dec 23 15:27
Thanks Geoff.
Thought I was going mad for a moment.
By:
differentdrum
When: 10 Dec 23 21:36
Looks as if there have been a few nibbles in Esprit Du Potier's race.

I have joined in with the extra places on Finn Lough. He was probably a fortunate point winner given two horses departed two out. He was ridden from behind in that race, but employed totally different tactics on hurdling debut. He probably did a little too much too soon, but was still in second place on the run between the last two flights. That looked a (much) stronger race than tomorrow's event, and with natural improvement he should last a bit longer. In time he will want a trip.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Dec 23 13:20
Rocheval quite promising in the opening national hunt juvenile - he looks pretty straightforward.

Called the two maidens correctly - just. Nothing infuriates more than a jock who concedes cheap lengths on an odds on shot. Tudor completely outrode McMenamin. Florida Dreams doesn't look as if he will come close to translating his bumper form leaving Richards still looking for a decent horse. Esprit Du Potier again jumped slowly, couldn't lead, and never looked likely to justify the short odds. He will go up in trip, but that won't improve his jumping. Finn Lough landed the extended each-way, but never threatened in the straight. He will also go up in trip.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Dec 23 14:37
Innox Allen always travelled well in front with a penalty and I was amazed that he didn't shorten up sooner. Still didn't back it though. Lucinda might not have a proper Grade 1 horse but plenty of very nice young ones coming through.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Dec 23 15:29
Only just watched it back. It looks to me as if the jock has set a dawdle, and stolen the race. Plenty of stronger stayers not ridden to best effect. Milcree looked the horse with the most ability, but the jock struggled to translate that ability.

Fontwell aside, some small fields, but much more of interest tomorrow.

The opening two races at Punchestown feature a couple of horses, Arctic Bresil and Embassy Gardens, who so far haven't come to up to expectations. Arctic Bresil having got off the mark hurdles, subsequently looked soft. He needs to start delivering on that hype he has had since his point days. Embassy Gardens hasn't looked the most straightforward, but certainly has the scope to make a chaser. Likely that both will be too short for anything other than a watching brief. Killaney King makes his track debut more than a year after running out an impressive winner of his only point. Conditions on that day were very testing. You can imagine from that absence it hasn't been plain sailing. It will be interesting to see how he opens up relative to Blizzard Of Oz. Kish Bank was one of those Elliott point winners I mentioned earlier. He has very quickly been snapped up by Gigginstown, and likely will go off very short in the bumper. Little bit surprising to see The Jukebox Man at Ffos Las given pulled out at Chepstow because of the ground. He should win, but I will be keeping an eye on Ghost Hunter who started odds on to beat Fortunate Man in his point. Fortunate Man won his point in okay fashion, but didn't look the biggest, so happy to take him on tomorrow with Steel Ally. Also threw a few quid at the extra places on Inebranlable in the hope that he is better than he has shown so far. Lump Sum should take Wincanton's opener, but I doubt there will be any 3/1 around this time. Aworkinprogress also runs in this race. I can only imagine that the intention is to make him look as bad as possible.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Dec 23 16:14
Lump Sum does look an obvious banker but in novice hurdles a dark one can always turn up. Surprising number of runners at Wincanton given it was not a scheduled meeting.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Dec 23 16:24
Honeyball has entered the four jump breds out of the five entries he had the other day. Dark Material put in half the price it had been before. Problem with abandonments it just gives bookmakers a steer. As if they didn't already have enough in their favour.
By:
differentdrum
When: 12 Dec 23 14:17
Another quite frustrating day and small loss.

The more I watch Blackmore the more a distant memory her postive rides become. These days she seems to ride virtually everything to quicken up off the bridle. Arctic Bresil was well supported (11/2-5/2) in the opener. He was allowed to bungle the first, then jumped fine until being slow or bungling the last four. That gave him no chance, but even so his finishing effort was pretty woeful. I assume he has an issue which hasn't been dealt with. I would try bouncing him out, and if that doesn't work, he has probably won his last race, and is just another very expensive failure. Embassy Gardens was ultimately much too good on his chase debut. Not entirely convinced with his jumping, and he needs to repeat in a better race, something he didn't do last season. Killaney King jumped well to win his point, but was much too slow in that department on his hurdling debut. He could have done with a stronger gallop, and he ended up being outpaced by the winner. At the business end Blackmore looked very weak in comparison to Townend. All the more reason why she should revert to doing what she used to do.

Lump Sum got the job done, but wasn't overly impressive. The second has far more scope, and should be winning soon. Aworkinprogress ran as well as you might expect. I will continue to monitor his lack of progress. I assume Pauling will be rightly fined for taking The Jukebox Man out at Chepstow. After the comfortable win the jock said he actually liked the ground. The second ran well after a long absence, and has the scope to make a chaser. The only hope for Ghost Hunter is that he wants a totally different surface. Steel Ally (4/1-5/4) ran too free, and totally bombed. I wouldn't be rushing to give him another chance. Inebranlable lasted a bit longer this time, and was my only collection. He has plenty of scope, and this was a step in the right direction.
By:
differentdrum
When: 12 Dec 23 16:11
Kish Bank (eventually well supported) never appeared to travel, but still managed to take what was probably a weak bumper. He looks a tall, sparely made sort, and you wouldn't have thought he would want too much racing. Honeyball duly took the Wincanton bumper with the outsider of the three. Dark Material ran no sort of race, stopping to a walk well before the turn for home.

Back to the mediocre tomorrow. Nicholls runs an expensive horse in the bumper. He cost a lot more than the horse that beat him in his point, despite appearing to be beaten on merit. You would imagine Cobden will just keep it simple. Kalahari King (an unfortunate copy) has a nice enough pedigree, but stable are struggling for winners, and only appears to be dabbling with the national hunt game. Apple Away should get off the mark over fences at Leicester. She won a point going right handed.
By:
differentdrum
When: 12 Dec 23 20:00
Ended up taking the each-way Kalahari King in the bumper. Has been a nibble, but you never know how realistic that is until much closer to the race. Also took an extra place on Annie Express in the opener. Dam has a dire record, and O'Brien for Cobden is not a swap anyone would want, but she did run well on hurdling debut in a better race than this. Up in distance should help, and she shouldn't have an issue with the ground. She gets a handy 7lbs from Toss Of A Coin who took four goes to win a point, and looks a galloper. Neither Cobden or O'Brien should be allowing the other a freebie on the front end.
By:
differentdrum
When: 13 Dec 23 15:51
Again not much wrong, but another shocking day.

Annie Express 11/2-12/1. Where did that come from? It did mean that anyone who took an early price like myself ended up completely shafted. She travelled better than the favourite, but was just outstayed. I think swap the jockeys and you probably get a different result. Made worse by the later Nicholls favourite getting well turned over. Quebecois barely came off the bridle to win the last. You would imagine he would take in another bumper with a penalty. Kalahari King was supported. He travelled like the second best horse, but has ended up beaten half the track. So many of these well bred types are not conditioned well enough to win first time. For that reason it's getting harder and harder to bag a decent priced winner in these type of races. They either go to a fancied horse, or something from left field that has been revved up to win first time. Very little in between. Apple Away jumped very straight at Leicester. I immediately thought National Hunt Chase, but she has barely got a quote.
By:
differentdrum
When: 13 Dec 23 17:18
Only just noticed Kalahari King was smashed in to 5/1 having been 14/1 last night. Given that kind of support that was a pitiful effort.

Slightly better quality again tomorrow assuming nothing is called off.

Blood Destiny makes his chasing debut at Naas. His form fell apart last season, and on that basis you couldn't be confident about what to expect tomorrow. Perhaps a surprise that he isn't starting at the minimum trip. Bumper is the usual match up between Mullins and Elliott. Wingmen was an impressive point winner (family goes back to Dramatist), but clearly much was expected of Iris Emery on debut, so a hard one to call.

Main interest at Taunton is whether Fiercely Proud and Ballee can defy penalties in the divisions of the novice hurdle. Both would likely want the ground to dry up, and Ballee looks the safer bet of the two. Roebuck Bay goes in the bumper at Newcastle. I flagged her up on debut when she had a poor ride/trip. Just not sure she is an obvious bumper type, and she has been put in plenty short enough to be of no interest at this stage. A poor card by Warwick standards where Arclight will be expected to maintain her unbeaten chasing record.
By:
differentdrum
When: 13 Dec 23 18:49
I should have mentioned Only By Night making her jumping debut at Naas. She has impressed on the bridle in bumpers on testing ground, and it is perhaps slightly surprising that she isn't trying to win another. A note of caution, the stable is in terrible form. Cromwell seems to flit in and out form every season.
By:
differentdrum
When: 14 Dec 23 10:52
Ended up backing Ballee and Roebuck Bay (each-way).

Interesting dilemma for Nolan. Let's see if he is up to it. Ballee is keen, and he had Matterhorn to aim at last time which no doubt helped. He may have to be prepared to make his own running today.
By:
sageform
When: 14 Dec 23 13:37
wow. Didn't matter if he was keen, he is just very good. Gave the second a stone and won on the bit.
By:
in hell
When: 14 Dec 23 13:43
Ballee has an engine, will need to improve his jumping though when he moves up in grade.

Aintree for the old Tolworth race ?
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