23nights - If i had a vulnerable relative in a care home, I think I would expect everybody that worked there to be vaccinated - but like i said, it's too late - Matt Hancock has already culled all the most vulnerable when he threw his runner ring around them

so in short your is yes..the question was about going forward not the past where many mistakes were made ty.

Agree it's about what happens going forward - but when lots of vulnerable old people have been killed their own government, I think somebody should be held accountable.

I summed it up on another thread - If there was an outbreak of Foot & Mouth in a Newmarket stable - Matt Hancocks solution would be to take the pressure off that stable by sending a couple of their horses to all of the surrounding yards!

Fair enough 23 - but I didn't think that aspect of the conversation was going anywhere.

Thought we could get a consensus that the government are woefully and hopelessly out of their depth. It's ok having clowns in charge during ordinary times but unfortunately when the going gets tough you need competent, inspirational, trustworthy leaders that know what they are doing.

JLS - I don't know of a country that has handled it well - which indicates to me it's time to start thinking about doing things completely differently.

I wasn't a particularly big shot in my career but i can think of about 10 senior people that I have encountered personally in the business world that would have done a better job - not to say that I haven't also encountered a lot of business people that are massively out of their depth clowns. - But as I say, in terms of competence, integrity, inspiration, communication, trust, etc - there are middle/senior managers in big business that I would choose to handle a crisis over these clowns any day of the week.

We need to look at where we get our politicians from. Failed journalists, spin doctors, lawyers, trade unionists and public school boys isn't working out too well imo.

Off the top of my head, here is a list (in no particular order) of the crises I would like a rest from:

The Pandemic Crisis
The Energy Crisis
The HGV driver Crisis
The Housing Crisis
The Social Care Crisis
The Immigration Crisis
The Refugee Crisis
The Knife Crisis
The Global Warming Crisis
The Corruption Crisis
The National Debt Crisis
The Student Debt Crisis
The NHS Crisis
The Drug Crisis
Black Lives Matter
The Ageing Population Crisis
And "bookmakers" that won't take a bet

To be fair - Apart from that - it's all going swimmingly well

I didn't think that particular crisis was caused by short term government thinking, popularism or party politics.

I don't think you would need cross party support/commitment, long term thinking and an agreed 30 year strategy to get more than 3 runners in a Novice Chase imo.

Hope you dont have it too bad casemoney. Take care.

It's ashtonishing that case GEORGE.B.

He was a front line health worker all last year and this. You'd think he'd have caught it much sooner.

Indeed, Dr Crippen. The report says that he'd only been on that particular Covid ICU for two months, but had been isolated from his family for four months last spring at the height of the pandemic while treating covid patients. Presume they mean 2020 by that.

The report also says he was a general surgeon with a specialist interest in gastro-surgery, so maybe he wasn't always on an ICU?

45 deaths in the last week in Ireland in total all vaccinated, 0 unvaccinated  with 94% of the country vacc explain that

Oh they'll have an "explanation" soon enough, xaar, cuz as Boris intimated last week as far as England is concerned, and no doubt as far as our neighbouring countries are concerned, soon you won't be classed as fully jabbed until you've had a third shot of this stuff. So if you die after having had 'only' two shots, you'll be classed as being one of the dirty "unvaxxed", and this will be 'promoted' by the mainstream media.

Mrs Halim said she did not think he had booster before he died surrounded by relatives after nine-week battle

you'd think she'd know, being his wife, whether he'd had a top-up jibjab or not.

Would you want unjabbed flu patients to not use NHS too?

.... Those that have been offered it and refused YES. It dosent make sense, folk supposedly using their right to

choose ( which i agree with btw ) then grovelling back to the nhs when the inevitable happens. !!

Not for any other problems, but as far as I am concerned you have waived your right to any treatment if you have refused the jab. Only my opinion of course.

Is that any jab or just covid?

The solution is simple more hospitals more doctors more nurses, if you keep letting your population grow year on year and this is any country, you need more of all three, f u c k i n g fund the NHS properly instead of wasting money on S H I T E.

Movewiththetimes
Is that any jab or just covid

It's an excellent question, Move'

Cuz covid symptoms can mimick other diseases such as 'flu, and they can't be sure the test is 100% reliable, so can you be declining people medical care when the diagnosis may be uncertain?

Take that daily mail report above for example: it says "believed to be covid".

The Nazis advocating denying people haven't thought this through. I'm not surprised though, cuz they're evil f*ckers who haven't got two brain cells to rub together.

Of all the cancers, god knows how many lung cancers have been missed during the last 18 months.

What can be one of the main symptoms of lung cancer? Yeah, a continuous cough.

Self-isolate though, save the NHS.