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I feel like generally it's a lot of people who like to sound like they know what they are talking about, but don't comment until they can see the number cloth. A few of the ex jock pundits have given decent paddock insights. Probably as they have been able to correlate it with performance over thousands of samples.
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I have searched the internet for this at Ffos Las one day about 5 year ago the horses were in the parade ring blowing a gale and the number cloth had blown up so you couldn't see the number and the horses were not in correct order, Fitzy comes on short price fav, you can see why this is fav beautiful big horse chaser in the making bolllox, someone says something to him and the beautiful big chasing type was a 50/1 chance he was looking at
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how many paddock watchers stood around as flockton grey went round the paddock,winking at everyone
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Stables themselves have taken wrong horses to the races or put the saddles on the wrong ones when they have had more than one runner in the same race - in fact Ballydoyle of all yards were guilty of the latter at Newmarket a few seasons back.
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Back in Sept. 1992 Barney Curley and Ken Higson organized what they called a protest against low levels of prize money. Their plan, they claimed, was to declare horses, take them to the start, but not let them race, thus disrupting the betting.
A selling hurdle one afternoon at Fontwell featured the Higson-owned, Charlie Moore-trained and Gary Moore-ridden Across The Card as favourite. Into the parade ring walked a fat, hairy, sweating beast which was saddled up as Across The Card, taken to the start, but not allowed to race when the tapes went up. https://www.racingpost.com/results/20/fontwell/1992-09-28/48087 All this made quite a story at the time, of course, but it was the appearance of the horse which caught the eye of the NH propunters there that day. Across The Card was an in-form horse who couldn't possibly look like that. Well, the next day we all moved on to Exeter, where, lo and behold, Across The Card was declared for the opening novices' hurdle, in which it was the obvious thieving each way bet against the odds-on favourite. Into the parade ring walked Across The Card, sleek, fit and trained to the minute. It duly went on to finish second in the race. https://www.racingpost.com/results/14/exeter/1992-09-29/48097 Myself, Eddie Fremantle and Alan the Beard went straight to the Jockey Club's security man, Terry Allen, to point out the discrepancy between the horse being unsaddled at Exeter and the one who had been declared under the same name at Fontwell the previous day. Terry Allen was excellent. He got hold of a camera, took photos of the horse, then tried to find whether anyone had pictures from Fontwell the day before. But inevitably he was hamstrung by the lack of cooperation from his employers at the Jockey Club. At first they just dismissed his concerns on account of them having arisen from punters. Allen pointed out: "These are pros: they go racing every day and know what they're talking about." But still the Jockey Club refused to pursue the case. The horse hadn't actually taken part the day before at Fontwell, they said, so no harm done, eh? As we'd commented to Terry, this wasn't the point. It could have been a dry run to find out just what they could get away with when it came to switching horses. At the very least it needed investigating to discourage any such temptation. And if our eyes had deceived us and there was no case to answer, well, let's establish that. But no. Like so much else that Terry Allen brought to his employers' attention at that time, it just got filed away and forgotten about in the Too Difficult or Too Embarrassing bin. Thankfully the Jockey Club is now called the BHA, which is completely different, oh yes, so this sort of thing could never happen these days. |
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This thread is a total borefest. No answer as to whether the paddock observer/judge/boxticker actually individually, to the exclusion of all other entrants, "tipped up" Triple Time or merely mentioned it in amongst a number of horses as looking well.
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kjansch21 Jun 23 14:53Joined: 07 Jul 05 | Topic/replies: 1,135 | Blogger: kjansch's blog
a paddock judges job is to give an opinion on the condition of a horse. and therefore a complete waste of time @ the biggest meeting of the year. Hardly gunna pick out some in need of the race. |
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Spot on Geoff m. Just another pointless box ticking exercise.
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GOLD CUP
Yibir looks well Subjectivist looks well Both of O'briens look well and Coltrane looks well ![]() ![]() . |
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ken likes
2 of AOB,s subjectivist coltrane yibir if anyone wants to perm 5 of the 1st 7 in the market |
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His itv cheque is a dole cheque. Money for going fluck all
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Just called Broome "a lady". Utterly pointless. Brings less than zero to the table. Ed just hasn't got a clue and is mistake riddled.
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Careful, you know who will be along shortly to call you ràcists.
The fact he is fckin useless is irrelevant! |
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And he still didn't get the winner.
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Did Ken mention the 150/1 shot today? Did he "tip it up"?
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Don't believe he has any credibility with anyone in the game, stands around the paddock looking like a spare part. His comments are basic and lack incite...but obviously in 2023 he tick's a box. Sad.
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He had a column in race form for years,he’s been around a lot longer than people think,always been a paddock judge,so he’s not been parachuted in like people think.
People adding 2+2 and coming up with 5. Like francome said,you get a bit bored with saying,a lovely looking colt,at least Ken compares previous turnouts with today,has he’s an expert, |
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People have listened to him for years too and are only adding 1 and 1.
He's mediocre at best and adds absolutely nothing to any racing tv show or prog. Imho of course. |
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We are getting a proper paddock watch today
Excellent stuff. Horse by horse in parade ring. |
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She liked no14, currently 42 on betfair.
Worth a quid. |
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Interesting because Ken put Swingalong up as well as his positive along with Little Big Bear
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I notice him putting a few selections up on the racing TV tips site the 3 I've seen all got turned over, the funny thing is they have all got removed soon after they run when all the others left up.. free wind tomorrow's tip..
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Ken has got the Paddock by the bollix
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She did not look 100 per cent on her return at York yet showed she had not lost any of her talents when proving too good in the Middleton. She should improve for this ahead of her next assignment, which may well be the Hardwicke Stakes at Royal Ascot.
His description doesn't sound like a person looking at the card and picking a winner,,, more like this is a general comment in a horses-to-follow list and the algorithm has picked this out. Racing TV tips minus 7 for 1.5 Queen for you (lost) HIghField Princess (Lost) The Caribbean (Lost odds on) Ziryab (Won 6/4) Kylian (Lost odds on) Impressive Act (Lost odds on) Mashadi (Lost odds on) |
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Hope you laying Cacique.. have you noticed his "tips" being taken down soon after they run..
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Seems to be an obsession on this thread when already proven to be unfit for purpose ages ago?
Mulrennan even worse if you judge by bollox spoken? |
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Wasn't having a go at you cacique,just think she is the worst by far on ITV,nosebands and bits,legs and shoulders etc.She just spouts bull and cant't even put a horse to it's number until too late?
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I chuckled when she started on about the ribs and horses not having a collorbone...
Its beyond me why they have so many women on the panel? Megan Nicholls is such a poor choice, struggles with diction and pronunciation. Leona's accent is hard on the ears. I still don't know about Francesa. And whats the purpose of having Hayley on wearing her jockey vest and jodhpurs; ... ...................... ............................. .................................. ...................... its hard to know what the producer on ITV is doing when he (presumably) selects the presenters/specialists? AP McCoy & Mick Fitz & Ruby for Royal Ascot...? really? Are there no ex-flat jockeys that want the gig. I like Chris Hughes doing the social stable stuff, but Oli Bell just seems out of place and a little wooden with him. |
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Francesca is different class,forgotten more than most of them will ever learn and as easy on the ear compared with the others you mention,they are like fingernails dragging down a blackboard!!
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I find her the complete opposite. She mist irritatingly interrupts others before they can finish their points, she tries to fit fifteen words into a ten word sentence and her diction is often correspondingly poor. She clearly does know a lot about the game but we don;t often learn too much because she is often difficult to follow. Goes off at tangents.
Immediate move on for me ( having recorded the show for later viewing ). |
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They have too many people on the panel.
The should have the anchor, the expert and the devils advocate. Chapman tries to be devils advocate... But apart from the after party service why do they need all the women on the show? |
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I have to agree with Nicholls, I thought fair play to her at first but has shown to be out of her depth.
Getting the hang of it more or less but after serving the apprenticeship but is now in the long list of "Nepo kids." |
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What does she bring to the table?
To tell us how her father trained Denman/Kauto/Master/Neptune/BBucks.... might as well get Paul on and he tell us himself Ken might get the winner today with Hukum a NR |
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Ed busy interviewing a few toffs who sound like extras off The Windsors.
Francesca has only got the gigs because she is Cumani's daughter, and she has the looks. She adds very little beyond that. Just very dull. She would be totally lost if she had to talk to any plebs. |
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Auguste Rodin for Ken there. ffs.
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Was only beat a Furlong ..
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Careful Glasgow.....Sparrow will be on soon to put you right
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Ken has the game by the Bollix
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