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HappyHibby 03 Jul 21 16:30
An enquiry was held into the circumstances surrounding the correction of the placings of HURRICANE IVOR (IRE) and PHOENIX STAR (IRE) in Race 1. The Judge, the Photo Finish Operator and a Steward were interviewed. Having heard their evidence, it was established that a distortion of the mirror, that was not identified until after the Provisional Result had been called, led to an inaccurate mirror image on the Photo Finish. As a result, the Judge could not use the mirror image when reviewing the Photo Finish, so with insufficient evidence from the Field Image to accurately split HURRICANE IVOR (IRE) and PHOENIX STAR (IRE), a dead-heat for first was called. The Stewards further enquired in order to ascertain the possible reasons for the Photo Finish mirror being distorted. A report was forwarded to the Head Office of the British Horseracing Authority for further consideration. This does not explain why Phoenix Star was given the race to begin with. They are trying to create a narrative where the mirror image distortion was to blame for the whole issue but it is not, the original fook up is separate and needs looking at itself. |
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1st time poster not far behind the BHA it seems
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The powers that run the show have ballsed it up and are blaming a mirror ffs
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PS given the race initially because the judge has mingled the heads
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AGAIN
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never thought i'd say this but...
i agree with you duffy. |
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exactly duffy
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to be accurate, they are blaming a mirror and a bloke with a protractor, but the old ways are the best ....
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these guys will sort this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9joQG60pE&list=PLmUXEpwrhZ7toVDeB9PiQ0OYf8Pe5GF1q&index=4 |
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the mistakes made here were,
1, mistake by judge which under new back up system shouldnt have been released till stewards had backed it up 2,stewards/judges releasing photo,s before the weigh in, 3,RUK ,on their original slow mo freezing pic past the line,they later reversed it to showing it on the line which looked like DH to naked eye but by then everyone had made their mind up,betfair had reacted to it and the wrong mirror image just confirmed so,mething everyone had already decided, without ruk showing image past line,without image of mirror image,no one would have been back 10,s on,you were basically backing 10,s on ,on indentifying a horse nose those with blown up pics.hd pixels etc couldnt indentify |
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you missed the giggest mistake, that photo equipment is supposed to be calibrated and checked prior to racing
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correct
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and if you cast your mind back to chelt which from memory put down to fading light not misaligned mirror, the question was asked why are we using a mirror in this day and age when a 2nd camera or overhead set up would remove all doubt
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What if they didn't get it wrong.....somehow a lot of people have made a massive profit from all this.
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camera,s,slow mo,s etc are for the punters,the actual result like swimming,athlectics etc should be done on electronic times ,chips,wifi etc,etc
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well luke i think that's what a few above are saying
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and 1tp, u say re punters, when the photo was shown on tv the price went to 1.03/1.04 and the other dropped out to 50s so if it's for punters i'd imagine it still might need to be correct if this sport is to have any integrity
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is the GPs chip in the saddle?
are all published photos the 'mirrored image' and therefore all wrong either side? |
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like i say ruk/atr/itv going in to area,s they shouldnt go in to,deciding for viewing figures where the line is,ruk showed to stills one past the line which showed inside in front and another that looked like a dead heat ,then backed their 1st still u pby showing the mirror imager,image
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shouty man even told the racing/betting world a 5lb claimer had been jocked off for a top jockey,when he hadnt
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what was the incident we had a couple of weeks ago...?
the betting in the stewards looked all wrong and nearly everyone on here said so... and the one who looked way too short in the betting was awarded the winner. |
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and so why are they not one and the same, why is the tech so fecking antiquated that we can't have instant and accurate shared information, the simple version is money but the bigger issue is the bha are running the show
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Dickens at Nottingham...
nowt to do with this but it just popped in to my brain. |
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1st time poster 03 Jul 21 18:37
camera,s,slow mo,s etc are for the punters,the actual result like swimming,athlectics etc should be done on electronic times ,chips,wifi etc,etc ----------------- Impossible - Surely. You would have to make sure that EVERY Chip was fitted in EXACTLY the SAME Place in EVERY Horse's Noses - with Results currently being decided in Pixels. You could NOT just put them in the Saddle cloth - or Bridle even - as every Horse is a DIFFERENT LENGTH (If measured in PIXELS) ... Small Horses - Long Horses - Tall Horses - Compact Horses - Long Necks etc,etc |
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chips in the nose, or on the shoulder of some of the bluebloods.
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Does NOT matter - swifty ...
Even if they spent a week to calibrate the EXACT SAME spot in EVERY Horse's nose - as.. One horse breathing in - the other breathing out = Different NOSTRIL FLARE than 'at rest' (when Chips inserted) - which simply CANNOT compensate for such scenarios ... UNAVOIDABLE .... Then the BHA DEMAND SINGLE PIXEL Decisions NOT possible |
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a correctly positioned camera works perfectly.......in other jurisdictions.
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the chances of the photo equipment not having been correctly calibrated and checked prior to racing are factored into the price you take.
rico ...... unlucky kid  |
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On a serious note racing is that farcical how anyone commit to 1.01s or the inverse, seems to be more than 1 in 100 races an incident and that’s with no 1.01s beat
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For those saying results should be done by time,in the Melbourne cup a few years ago a Luca Cumani horse did the fastest time but was placed 2nd in the photo.
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wondersobright • July 3, 2021 6:46 PM BST
look at the tail of HI in both pictures...pretty much identical obv it's "pretty much", but they aren't identical. The mirror is probably just a miniscule pointed to the right, so showing the horses slightly before the line and skewing the "finishing line" in favour of the far horse. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHWrmIzgB5A
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Hold a finger up in front of a mirror and move your head to the side and you will see that the
alignment between your finger and the mirror image alters. Clearly (excuse the pun), the mirror was not in alignment, i.e. it wasn't set at exact right angles to the camera. The judge should be fired for not noticing the difference between the two images. Whoever set the mirror/camera up needs re-training. There are a number of race courses which, if you look closely up at the camera location, are actually behind and not at right angles to the finish line, usually because the Grandstands at those courses end just before the line. Newcastle, York, Doncaster and 5f at Sandown , I'm convinced ,have this problem. |
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roggrain - That is incorrect - and merely talking Television Viewing Bias
You post ... "the camera location, are actually behind and not at right angles to the finish line" ------------------- That is a NON- valid Statement - a misconception - As ... The ACTUAL Finishing LINE is .... From wherever the CAMERA is POSITIONED to the Racecourse determined point of Finish on the Far Rail. Whatever 'Line' is Mown across the Course - or whatever else - is merely an INDICATOR for Racegoers and Television [Viewers of the Finish ... BUT - is NOT an ABSOLUTE. Similarly - The Nearside Winning Post is NEVER situated exactly 'on the Line'... as it would, if so positioned, then interfere/block the view of the Camera, located in the Stands. |
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is she had called the correct number the mirror invention would still be unnoticed.
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it matters not how you percieve it..the mirror showed hurricane won by an inch..the field image clearly shows hurricanes nostril sticking out an inch further than this side.
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^incorrect - there is no nostril sticking out.
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