Overall this has been coming for a long time if truth be told , too many questions about the running and riding of his horses . To many winning when the money was down etc. He's been under the spotlight of many on here so it comes as no real surprise now does it...I think he's very lucky to be walking away with only a 6 month ban , his leaving horses unattended for long periods is not what you'd expect of your trainer .

to befair he did leave them unattended in an area the dopers could access them, ,
byrne might be squeaky about needles

Before you English lads start gloating their is a well known trainer over there that is known as Chemical...

just found this the heading of the piece was why you shouldn't trust Nicky Henderson...

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8 Jul 2009 21:11
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Not naive bedfont Greg was doing what most of his colleagues in his proffession do, always have a small safety net in place instead of going out on a limb and saying what they really want to say.
In fairness he is one of the few who is willing to question the status quo on a regular basis even if he never quite goes the full hog.
As for the rest of your post bedfont ,I couldn't agree more to think that this was an isolated incident would be naive in the extreme, but the one thing that I find astonishing is the BHA's refusal not to examine vet Mains other clients, a point Greg did stress to be fair.
Henderson had a phenomenal 2008/9 season, almost unbelievable! and it was the astonishing ease some of his horses were winning [even big flat handicaps] that was the real eye opener.
I don't know if this TA drug improves performance but I would like to know would it help trainers to work their horses much harder without any longterm damage?, maybe somebody with more knowledge than me on veterinary matters could enlighten me?.

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8 Jul 2009 14:04
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Brutally naive by Greg here.

The Queen's trainer has been caught systematically doping a horse and no one is asking Mr Henderson how many and for how long have you been doping horses?

We are asked to believe after years of training Henderson woke up one morning to dope a poor horse in a dreadful race for under 4 grand for the winner and never before or since - poppycock. Then he has not recorded the treatment and tried to cover it up. Can I sell you some unlisted shares if that strikes you as a one off?

The vet works for numerous trainers. It's like a larder full of cans marked worms and the BHA with its sanctimonious anti doping/drug policies will not investigate. It makes a laughing stock of British Racing lecturing everyone on clean racing.

The next journalists who interviews Henderson and does not say "How many? How Long? and How many champions have you doped Nicky?" should surely be fired or ostracised by the racing community.

I think Geir Stabell stance in shutting down his globeform site for a few months as British racing is shown as corrupt from top to bottom is nearer the correct response rather than this lickspittle stuff.

^ Is that legal.?

Byrnes, a multiple Grade 1-winning trainer, had another runner – Thosedaysaregone – on the Sedgefield card who was also successfully laid for substantial risk. The horse's saddle slipped and he was pulled up

I well remember the LAETITIA Bumper in 2005 ...

After the race - This FORUM EXPLODED .... and it was mostly Posts by seasoned IRISH Punters - who were all well aware of Byrnes' methods and History  - even then.

this all means another trainer will win the ladbroke next month

It will be a small trainer that will win the ladbroke next month Jimnast.

i shall watch with interest cloone

that will cheer me up cloone because i will be properly fed up that night.

yes they are all closed and i would be surprised if they were open by feb 6th.what about over there ?

me to, cash will always be king means much more in every way.

All the horses will be trained by Eoin Christopher McCarthy for the 6 months Charlie Boy is suspended.
A major coup was foiled late last year by mistake at the last by a Byrnes runner when ECMcC had a double at home track Limerick on November 17th... many trebles accounting for monster payouts came unstuck, but the doubles were landed ... Byrnes had planned it.
Last runners for Byrnes were Temptationinmilan & Light Brigade ... owned by F McCarthy (Eoin's dad).
Ownership of CB's horses usually hidden by syndicate names ... you wouldn't be surprised if you know who.
Look up Feenakilmeedy's run on Jan 22nd 2014, trained by Byrnes (also look at report of its previous race) ... was part of the BC gamble that most didn't know about, but although it unfortunately lost (4th 9/4f, after a bad mistake at the first) it won £m's as part of Lucky bets consolation loser (now not offered by most bookies).

From the RP website:

Read the explosive evidence from the investigation into the Charles Byrnes case

Charles Byrnes has been suspended for six months after Viking Hoard was found to have tested positive for a sedative after being pulled up at Tramore in October 2018. The referrals' committee judging the case found that an unknown third party had 'nobbled' the horse, who was also layed to lose almost €35,000 by a mystery punter on Betfair.
Here are the key extracts from the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB) report on the case, revealing how the committee came to its decision and the startling evidence it considered

The Tramore race
The report opens with an account of Viking Hoard's run at Tramore on October 18, for which he drifted from 4-1 to 8-1 and ran "conspicuously badly", becoming "rapidly detached from the rest of the field and . . . pulled up before the seventh hurdle". Stewards requested an examination of the horse, and the IHRB veterinary officer took samples and noted the horse had a "slow heart rate".
On October 31, the LGC laboratory reported the sample tested positive for "acepromazine (ACP) and its metabolite". The committee explained ACP is a sedative prohibited on race days and its effect was "graphically illustrated by the poor performance of the gelding in the Tramore race".
One month later, on November 30, Charles Byrnes was notified of the adverse finding during an unannounced inspection by IHRB staff. The yard medicines register did not record any administration of ACP to Viking Hoard, and neither Byrnes nor his son Cathal could explain its presence in the horse's urine.
Following this, an investigation into the positive test and into betting patterns relating to the gelding was commenced by the IHRB.
Dr Lynn Hillyer, head of anti-doping and chief veterinary officer of the IHRB, provided evidence to the hearing which took place on January 7. She noted that the ACP metabolite was found at a level estimated to be 100 times the screening limit, affecting "the performance of the gelding, the integrity of the race and the health, safety and welfare of the animal, the rider, stable staff and other riders and animals in the race".
Summarising her evidence, the report continued: "The evidence showed that Viking Hoard was subject to a dangerous degree of sedation during the race, which was masked until the rider was required to ask the gelding for an early effort in the race. In her opinion, the betting patterns were not coincidental, and Dr Hillyer concluded that the evidence demonstrated that Viking Hoard had been 'nobbled' prior to the race. This conclusion was not challenged. The committee accepted that this inference is correct and fully justified by the evidence."
The betting patterns
IHRB deputy head of security Declan Buckley then presented evidence relating to betting patterns. The BHA alerted the IHRB to a sizeable lay bet against Viking Hoard at Tramore, with €34,889 risked to win €3,200, representing half of the total lay market on Betfair, with the committee noting that "this risk/reward ratio demonstrated substantial confidence on the part of the layer".
Buckley then revealed two further lay bets placed on the horse, at Sedgefield in October 2018 and at Galway in July 2018. On the former occasion, €30,279 was risked, representing 71 per cent of the lay market, while on the latter €55,000 was risked, again representing half the total market.
These bets, Buckley revealed, were "initially placed with a limited liability company, which placed them in turn with Betfair". The committee was "surprised to hear that such a mechanism is possible, as it could hinder identification of the possible beneficiaries of lay betting".
Finally, Buckley identified an individual connected with the account who was "based in a distant part of the world and was said to be associated with match fixing and associated betting in connection with other sports". There was "no evidence to connect Mr Byrnes with these betting patterns", the report stressed.
Byrnes's case
The committee then summarised Byrnes's response, which was that he had "nothing to do with the administration of the ACP to Viking Hoard or the various betting activities set out above and has no knowledge of any of these matters". Byrnes said he and his son had left the horse unattended on two occasions totalled 20-25 minutes while at Tramore, and suggested "whoever had administered ACP would have known" horses were regularly, although improperly, left unaccompanied.
The committee's verdict
The committee stated it was most likely the horse had been given ACP prior to the race, when "under the direct care and control of Mr Byrnes and his son", and that only two explanations for this were reasonably likely: "Firstly, ACP was administered during that time by or with the knowledge of the trainer. Secondly, and in the alternative, ACP was administered during that time by a person with authorised access to the stable yard during a period when the gelding was left unattended."
The committee said it "approached the case on the interpretation of the evidence that was reasonably open and most favourable to Mr Byrnes, that being that Viking Hoard was 'nobbled' by an unidentified third party", but that "his neglect in supervising the gelding" had permitted this to take place.
In a digression, the committee then addressed "the difficulties of proof that the IHRB faces in cases where there is no direct evidence of who administered a prohibited substance". Citing legal precedent, it noted that "the law is that where serious allegations are made in civil proceedings, the tribunal must apply the standard of proof in a rigorous and exacting manner and require clear and convincing proof before a grave allegation is established as a matter of probability. Suspicion, no matter how strong, is not evidence for this purpose".
Concluding its findings, the committee said it found "that Mr Byrnes was seriously negligent in the supervision of Viking Hoard on the day of the Tramore race". It continued: "The actual and potential consequences of the failure to supervise in this case are disturbing. Firstly, the level of ACP administered to Viking Hoard rendered the gelding a danger to all nearby persons and animals. Fortunately, no actual consequences flowed from this danger. Secondly, it ensured that the winning bets staked on Viking Hoard on the betting exchanges could be opposed with absolute confidence. Any punter who backed Viking Hoard to win in good faith was dishonestly deprived of a fair run for their money."
The committee closed with a summary of the case's profound consequences for racing: "Significant actual damage flowed from the neglect of the trainer. The damage was financial in the case of affected punters, and reputational in the case of the racing industry. This case illustrates the specific and additional challenges and dangers to the integrity of racing posed by the widespread ability to back horses to lose races for significant returns. The desirability of this practice or how it might be better controlled within the available regulatory resources is worthy of further, constant review."

Never forget the Solwhit win @ Fairyhouse in 2008,Tom Doyle was not the most liked guy in the Winners Enclosure that day.

White label customers no longer allowed to lay on betfair,maybe cash is king will post this from the RP as unfortunately i'm no copy & paster? It would appear that the ltd liabilty co were "partners" of BF,interesting reading. They apparently stopped the ability to lay in 2019 after the horse had bolted.

Good question onlooker.

Viking Hoard last run in August 2020 at Sedgefield ... trained by Micky Hammond ... 2/1f Pulled Up (from 20/1) ... rumour was CB still trained it.
Looks like the"knobbler" may still have been at work.

Yes Ribero I like Richie .