To be fair to them Screaming, they're not trying to prevent deaths from cancer, heart disease, strokes etc, etc.

Yes. There's that as well. The cytokine storm.

I was thinking of the syndrome where so many antibodies were released into the blood in severely ill Covid patients, in the body's final attempt to see off the virus, that the blood was found to thicken and cause clots.

Happy to be corrected if I've misunderstood this.

off topic but isn't  this just a further blow to those who rely on this employment.

thought I might have got a day at the ebor got a email from York this evening
behind closed doors.
regards
Ronnie.

This is technical, to say the least, but it does explain the process as I understood it. Doesn't mean to say either of us have necessarily got it right though.

https://blog.argonautcapital.co.uk/articles/2020/07/27/the-biggest-fraud-part-2-the-vaccine-swindle/

It's written by the chap who brought down Wirecard. This time I assume he's looking to short the pharma firms whose stocks have risen every time they're on the verge of a vaccine breakthrough. So he might be just talking his book here. But, as I said, it chimes with the work I used to do for these same pharma firms.

I think the problem in this country (and I am guilty of it too) is that when you get a major problem, the government always interferes too much until it hasn't interfered enough. The wonder of hindsight says we should have locked down at the beginning of March. I get the feeling that if Boris had gone for a lockdown at the beginning of March, we (no doubt goaded by the red top press) would have gone "NO"! The forums etc would not have been full of sanguine argument saying "you know, the government has got it just about right to nip this in the bud". It would have been "it's an effing liberty - there's hardly been a case over here."
I am tired of people having the most brilliant hindsight and slagging of the government. It must have been impossible at the start with every opinion under the sun being raised. I know Boris is a bit of a pr@t and showed have dropped that adviser who went off to the family estate in the north-east but it looks a really tough job. How do you try and free up the economy without stopping people from breaking the rules. You have to rely on people to do the right thing and we seem to be not very good at that.

I thought this thread was the opposite of hindsight. It was prompted by the banning of spectators from racing at Goodwood today, and whether this sort of authoritarian clampdown has any mileage going forward.

Coronabolx. Fkn Government has lost the plot. Get out, behave normally and stop wearing the bstd useless masks. Flu is far more dangerous and figures show that without any doubt. Doctored death tolls are a disgrace.

I am tired of people having the most brilliant hindsight and slagging of the government. It must have been impossible at the start with every opinion under the sun being raised. -- I had some sympathy with them originally (save the NHS etc) but it was soon apparent that this virus was no where near as dangerous as we were being led to believe. I think far to much policy now is based on media pressure and trying to justify the unnecessary damage to the economy. 4 million unemployed through the winter (bank of england forecast) will need to be justified.

Jeez this thread turned into a hard read, maybe someone bump it in a years time, to see who was right and who was wrong.
The biggest problem I have with it all, not being an expert in any of it, is that many, many times common sense went out the window, in preference to scientific advice.

I am tired of people having the most brilliant hindsight and slagging of the government. It must have been impossible at the start with every opinion under the sun being raised


tripe

It's a load of bollux. If you can go into a pub or a gym or get on a bus then why the feck cant a limited number of people go to watch the racing. Makes absolutely no sense.

700,000 deaths sound a lot but in the context of the world over several months its a miniscule amount especially when you think its mostly people who were due to die anyway.
Weigh against that the failure to vaccinate kids across the developing world, the damage done to economies in these countries which will lead to more starvation, the estimated 1.3 million extra TB deaths and in England alone thousands of extra cancer deaths then you realise just how stupid it all is. Or you should do anyway.

And here is my final post on this carry on. At the start of lockdown I thought it was overkill and typical modern 'snowflake' society. But I have looked and studied almost of the statistics on the virus and have now changed my mind.

Those who are so adamant this awful disruption was so unnecessary need to read up about the 'law of large numbers'. Yes, the infection rate is now tiny, and it was never that big even at the height of the issue. But the POTENTIAL for it to do untold damage was almost beyond comprehension.

Why? Because of the law of large numbers. With 62 million in the UK, a 0.78 per 100,000 people infection rate (the current rate) comes to 483 infections per day. But, at its height we had 15 infections per 100,000 people. That's over 7,000 people per day infected.

Now, I will not bore anyone else with the stats but if you really think the lockdown was overkill, go to the government websites and see the % of daily infections that ended up in ventilator beds. It was tiny. BUT, then see how fast those beds would have been used up at the 15 per 100,000 rate of infection. Inside two weeks and then what would we have done?

Watched the sick and dying queue in the streets for beds?

However, we now have a fresh issue. IF we do not find a vaccine, even a partial one, no economy on earth would stand another long, nationwide lockdown. It would cause havoc for decades and mean health services collapsing for lack of funding.

Hence, it may still be that the virus will have to be allowed to run wild so we achieve some form of herd immunity. Doing it like that, and I sincerely hope we don't have to, might still be the lesser of two evils.

But to do that straight away would have been inhumane, and hence the first lockdown. 

So, to end, will all you virologists on here, plus all the hindsight merchants, PLEASE go and check all the figures available before opining your views.

Oh, wait, you don't believe all the figures because this is some giant, Bill Gates led conspiracy to deprive you of your Spanish summer holidays - holidays that, no doubt, were going to be taken with children by parents who, 3 weeks ago, were bricking it about their kinds returning to school!

We have become one selfish, stupid society, that's for sure.

Agree - Ther Knight.

As I posted earlier - Both, the equally frightening,  SARS and deadly EBOLA did not end up running amok throughout the globe ...

How did they 'die out'?

The World did not Lockdown for them - just parts of Asia, but in proportion, along with the predictably ill-equipped African countries.

Surely we can now put something into practice from those two experiences, in order to get an applicable advantage over this current problem.

IF we do not find a vaccine, even a partial one, no economy on earth would stand another long, nationwide lockdown. It would cause havoc for decades and mean health services collapsing for lack of funding.  ___ It was a good post Knight and although we come at it from different sides I see some sense in the large numbers potential. However the point I have highlighted is a misconception. Even if it is as contagious as the worst predictions and everybody got it for the vast majority (even accounting for large numbers) would be fine. It is only the vulnerable and old that this has any significant effect on and they don't contribute much to the economy. Eventually whether it's pleasant to think of or not in your scenario they would all be dead (and pretty quickly) and its locking down the healthy and those that do contribute to the economy that will do the damage. Actually I don't think its that bad and some sensible precautions to protect the vulnerable while we all go about our business (with some sensible precautions) would mean that in a few months this will be sorted.

So we just willingly and readily "sacrifice" a few of the weaklings eg the weak/sick and elderly for the majority ie the weak and elderly taking one for the majority (the stronger in society). It's a scary thought another "human being" can play GOD at the expense of a few who'd have worked and contributed aplenty to the world and country but might not be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour because they could be sick/weak or elderly (bearing in mind we all grow old with time) some clever "wally" decide to play GOD.

If so, I'd be ashamed and not want to be part of that "elitist" and selfish society.

It's still 16 infections in July, duffy. It's not 16 hospital cases, which it might be if we keep trying to put this off until next year.

Some people despite a period of more than 4 months have yet to cotton on the probable destruction of Covid-19 on the human race. Absolutely shocking!

Me! Me! Me! More ME! The rest can take a hike, come what may!