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By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 05 Aug 20 23:05
In what way I am naive? Please educate me.
By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 05 Aug 20 23:11
It is my belief that most bets on here are not matched peer to peer but are matched against the in-house bot. The point is that I don't think the bot should have an extra second to decide whether to match my bet. If I click on a price I want my bet matched at that precise time, not one second later when circumstances have changed.

Do you disagree with that?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 00:33
The issue is whether they are operating fairly
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 00:37
its a business jack..now a skilfully honed bot..and it will eradicate most people fairly easily.
By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 06 Aug 20 00:38
I don't believe they are which is why I want the 1 second delay removed. Now you tell me if there is anything you disagree with and we can have a debate if you think you are up to it.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 01:52
you can have a million that happens Laugh
By:
Jack Bauer '24'
When: 06 Aug 20 02:05
I didn't say I expect it to happen. In fact, I was surprised when they asked for opinions on the forum about removing the the delay a couple of years ago. I said I want it to happen to make things fairer and more transparent, but I won't be holding my breath. Betfair always seem to take the short term view on how to maximise their profits.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 10:59
and the most clinical route..
By:
thurnscoe thunder
When: 06 Aug 20 13:24
thebootman05 Aug 20 16:55Joined: 22 Jan 04 | Topic/replies: 372 | Blogger: thebootman's blog
Sadly I have no new update, the new stream seems to be a few weeks away yet. A quick question


Does this mean that you have been informed its still actively being planned
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 06 Aug 20 14:30
Can i get a price everything is magically sorted around the time the public are allowed back?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 15:01
what would the relevance in that be?
By:
Captain carnage
When: 06 Aug 20 15:07
Bootman - I would be massively against suspending the current faster feed, it just puts us further behind our hardest competitors.

The multiple drones and callers at tracks are already around 1sec ahead at RacingTV and 1.5secs ahead at Sky tracks so putting ourselves around another 0.5
behind is madness.

Also as people have said, its naive to think someone wont get a faster stream anyway.
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 06 Aug 20 15:33

Aug 6, 2020 -- 3:01PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


what would the relevance in that be?


Those that are acquiring the faster pics also acquire racecourse boxes to trade from on race days, the same group of people, once they are allowed back on course, RTV get the green light to magically "fix" the problem, by then they have what they used too from the hospitality boxes, not all of you are at it...but a select few are.

Pure speculation obviously.

Havent really kept up with the thread, do you still maintain nobody has fast pictures anywhere Willie? ty

By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 06 Aug 20 15:33
Used to have*
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 06 Aug 20 15:37
there are 4-5 drones squads..many callers trackside..still ft at selective tracks where big screen is accessible..only needs 1 faster clicker to make it look impossible.
By:
thebootman
When: 06 Aug 20 18:39
Thanks for the replies.

The new low latency stream is still actively planned, though when we eventually get it is another question. I have written to both parties saying that we have been very patient waiting for more than 2 months for RTV to get the stream right. If it's still not ready, take the graphics off and give us the stream we had in February until such time as it's sorted. Otherwise the drones, facetimers et al are just going to continue to stifle a great product.

There is a meeting between Betfair and RTV tomorrow, hopefully Betfair will provide an update,
By:
Wesdag
When: 06 Aug 20 18:51
thanks bootman
By:
HappyHibby
When: 06 Aug 20 20:06
thanx bootman....

i have yet to discover anyone who replied in the RTV survey months ago that they wanted the silly graphics...

certainly nobody i know wanted them then or wants them now...

strange how the ATR LV comes graphicless but RTV feels we need graphics to tell us things like 'the jockey has won this race 0 times in the last 5 years'..

absolutely laughable imv...
By:
HappyHibby
When: 06 Aug 20 20:09
strange how the ATR LV comes graphicless but RTV feels we need graphics

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come to think of it...

have you asked that Q bootman...?
By:
dustybin
When: 07 Aug 20 09:59
The irony being that unless anything has changed since the lockdown (and post Flash) ATR don’t have graphics and yet are even slower than RTV LV that do have graphics.

The principle of the logic to this matter should be very simple; anything that delays the actual picture speed of either actually encourages the black market.

The LV in general shouldn’t be the vehicle that informs gamblers as to their selection, that sort of information is available elsewhere, the role of the LV is to offer as fast a service as possible showing the race...that’s all.

It reminds me of the ‘smart TV’, that combo device that tried to be a tv, a music system and a sort of computer....it was awful at all three things. Specialised equipment should focus on doing their most important job.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 07 Aug 20 11:46
anything that delays the actual picture speed of either actually encourages the black market.

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correct dustybin...

not only does it encourage a black market...

the lowlife's and vagabonds demand a black market so they have an 'edge' as they call it...
By:
HappyHibby
When: 07 Aug 20 11:46
The LV in general shouldn’t be the vehicle that informs gamblers as to their selection

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absolutely correct also dustybin...
By:
dustybin
When: 07 Aug 20 12:30
I'd still like them to tell me why they cant have, as part of their established online video, a no frills fast product that costs say £20 per month access, or £10 to RTV channel subscribers?

They obviously dont know the sort of money swilling around paying for boxes, drone or FT pics eachday.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 07 Aug 20 12:41
their website should have a super fast dedicated feed either to every track or the RTV feed as per ch426...

the feed they have on at the moment is from the dark ages...

an added £10 or £20 per month would be well within most folks pocket...

no idea why they don't do it...

all seems very strange to me...

and i'm still not convinced ch426 or ch874 is as fast as it could be...

especially ch874...
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Aug 20 12:46
Well, RTV is owned by the racecourses. Perhaps they're making so much from the boxholders that they don't want to rock the boat. (I'm being semi-facetious here.)
By:
HappyHibby
When: 07 Aug 20 12:58
not making much from them since March...

and unlikely to make much from them for a while yet i would suggest...
By:
dustybin
When: 07 Aug 20 13:11
Even if it were down to that (and I'd be skeptical)
They and the courses are on an ever more difficult battle against providers of illicit pics
Chasing ft'ers, slowing certain screens or trying to find and stop drone users.

It's a simply way of redirecting all that revenue into the pockets of 'racing'
By:
HappyHibby
When: 07 Aug 20 13:19
the black market pictures provided by vermin must be a huge some of money...

money that could easily be kept in racing and added to prizemoney or improving facilities at racecourses...

very strange it doesn't happen imv...
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 07 Aug 20 14:32
sum*
By:
boga
When: 08 Aug 20 14:50
i/r betting is playing like it's a Monday card never seen liquidity so dire on a Saturday, but to be fair these are the worst i/r tracks by a country mile to play on Betfair LV
By:
cheburekito
When: 08 Aug 20 16:31
^ had exact same thoughts about liquidity
By:
cheburekito
When: 08 Aug 20 16:40
becoming a layer was probably the worst decision of my eternity, they are like dying breed
By:
Big Cat
When: 09 Aug 20 17:00
I understand that RTV use Perform Group as their Streaming Service Provider
By:
DOUBLED
When: 09 Aug 20 17:39
DAZN ?
By:
dustybin
When: 10 Aug 20 13:02
Any pearls of wisdom from either bf or RTV after the recent meeting?
By:
Latalomne
When: 10 Aug 20 14:31
Crap pics Leicester, miles behind
By:
shady69
When: 10 Aug 20 14:35
That 230 race was terrible Cry
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 10 Aug 20 14:39
Played excellently for me with pics off the telly.

Ties in with what jamesdean keeps saying - when the Betfair live video goes down, so do the raw pics THEY are using

Could just be coincidence though.
By:
Ghetto Joe
When: 10 Aug 20 14:42
I was watching via T426 and seems the suspend guy must be working off their live feed as the 2:30 went in play very late and suspended well after the runners had past the winning post compared to the TV pictures.
By:
duffy
When: 10 Aug 20 14:44
confirmation bias?
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